Alcohol Damages Health

[Citizen]

I hope you don’t think I’m condemning anyone for saying “False doctrine?.

No, not at all. I believe false doctrine SHOULD be pointed out and condemned, and I agree with you that drinking isn't the problem but drunkenness is.

When I said "Condemning people to hell for [insert man-made unBiblical law here] is the problem.", I was referring to the man-made law that claims consuming any amount of alcohol sends people straight to hell. It is wrong, it is false, and it should be shunned whether coming from a person or a church. I hope that helps clarify what I meant.

Oh, “hammy down” is something of yours given to someone else (clothing, objects). In this case, an idea made up, handed down (traditions).

Ah, I see! Thanks for explaining.

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, amen!
However, we need to call out false doctrine….. or we go along with the status quo.

Might want to check in with Father
I heard, hear about the tares amongst the wheat. Dad was asked can we go pull the weeds up.
No for now, you might harm the wheat

So, for me I understand this, When Daddy calls, I Will respond
Not when another pastor, leader, Deacon, parishioner or any other flesh and blood person, says it is time or wanting me to hear what they believe to lead me. I know better Matthew 10:16-20
Too many people today sitting in Moses's seat, leading others in to Hell, and looking good at trying. to be in charge, People giving man certain ones precedence
Phil 3, reveals these things to me, many other scripture in context as well
Best to read the entire Epistle. Best to keep in context and listed for Father to speak within you. Knowing Father and Son as Won only spew Love in truth to all, thank you to even the tares for now
God Father still the only one good

 

[TruthDefender]

Might want to check in with Father
I heard, hear about the tares amongst the wheat. Dad was asked can we go pull the weeds up.
No for now, you might harm the wheat

So, for me I understand this, When Daddy calls, I Will respond
Not when another pastor, leader, Deacon, parishioner or any other flesh and blood person, says it is time or wanting me to hear what they believe to lead me. I know better Matthew 10:16-20
Too many people today sitting in Moses's seat, leading others in to Hell, and looking good at trying. to be in charge, People giving man certain ones precedence
Phil 3, reveals these things to me, many other scripture in context as well
Best to read the entire Epistle. Best to keep in context and listed for Father to speak within you. Knowing Father and Son as Won only spew Love in truth to all, thank you to even the tares for now
God Father still the only one good

Yes, we should always read in context and listen to Him.
He warns us NOT to add or take away from His word (Revelation 22:18-19).
His word trumps traditions of men.

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, we should always read in context and listen to Him.
He warns us NOT to add or take away from His word (Revelation 22:18-19).
His word trumps traditions of men.

if, it is not true Love 1 Cor 13:4-7, then it to me is not from God at all.. As each person is personally responsible between Father, Son and self. As Father and Son won for us to be in like flint and out like Alexander Monday
God loves us all so deeply, I saw, how can I harm anyone on purpose ever?
I can't and do not even have or even think about it, It is just who I am by God for me, and I see this is for all others also

 

[HigherGospel]

Matthew 11:18-19
"For Yochanan (John) came, fasting, not drinking — so they say, ‘He has a demon.’ The Son of Man came, eating freely and drinking wine — so they say, ‘Aha! A glutton and a drunkard! A friend of tax-collectors and sinners!’ Well, the proof of wisdom is in the actions it produces.”

These were people void of Truth so just because they claim Jesus was drinking booze does not mean He actually was.

It cannot be proven from scripture that Jesus actually drank alcohol as the word wine simply means fruit of the vine and does not designate whether it's fermented or not.

Of course people that like to drink the booze claim Jesus was a drunk so they can feel good about themselves being drunkards.

That's why people drink booze so they can get their buzz on which is being a drunkard which is sinful behavior that God's Word says causes some to not be allowed in to God's Kingdom:

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Due to the false doctrines of so called once saved always saved people think Galatians 5:19-21 is not applicable to them but they are in error.

 

[TruthDefender]

These were people void of Truth so just because they claim Jesus was drinking booze does not mean He actually was.

It cannot be proven from scripture that Jesus actually drank alcohol as the word wine simply means fruit of the vine and does not designate whether it's fermented or not.

Of course people that like to drink the booze claim Jesus was a drunk so they can feel good about themselves being drunkards.

That's why people drink booze so they can get their buzz on which is being a drunkard which is sinful behavior that God's Word says causes some to not be allowed in to God's Kingdom:

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Due to the false doctrines of so called once saved always saved people think Galatians 5:19-21 is not applicable to them but they are in error.

OSAS is heretical. I believe every word in Scripture. Do you?

I don’t believe in traditions of men telling me what to do, because men are not God who gave us the word. Denominations come from heresy.

There is only one Truth, not many Truths. If the Scripture stated He turned water to the best wine ever, then you better believe it!! Cheers/ Şerefe!

 

[HigherGospel]

OSAS is heretical. I believe every word in Scripture. Do you?

Yes, that's why I've been telling other to beware of the OSAS heresy

I believe every word in Scripture. Do you?

 

[Snackersmom]

It cannot be proven from scripture that Jesus actually drank alcohol as the word wine simply means fruit of the vine and does not designate whether it's fermented or not.

That's not entirely true, there is very strong evidence that Jesus used true alcoholic wine for the first communion. It was at a Passover feast, which is always held in the Spring of the year. Grapes are harvested in late Summer.

So if it really was just grape juice that Jesus had the disciples drink, it would have been bare minimum 6 months old (and probably more like 8).

Unpasteurized grape juice does not last for 6 months without either spoiling or fermenting. I know because I grow grapes and I have tried it. Even with modern refrigeration it starts to ferment or spoil after about 6 weeks.

I find it surprising that you don't think Jesus could have possessed the self-control to have a little wine yet stop before becoming drunk . If self-control is such a foreign concept to you then I think you are wise to abstain completely and I applaud that decision!

 

[TruthDefender]

These were people void of Truth so just because they claim Jesus was drinking booze does not mean He actually was.

It cannot be proven from scripture that Jesus actually drank alcohol as the word wine simply means fruit of the vine and does not designate whether it's fermented or not.

Of course people that like to drink the booze claim Jesus was a drunk so they can feel good about themselves being drunkards.

That's why people drink booze so they can get their buzz on which is being a drunkard which is sinful behavior that God's Word says causes some to not be allowed in to God's Kingdom:

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Due to the false doctrines of so called once saved always saved people think Galatians 5:19-21 is not applicable to them but they are in error.

Do you think everybody who believe that Jesus drank wine are believers in OSAS??
Wow, your thinking and logic is way out there! Lol

 

[TruthDefender]

These were people void of Truth so just because they claim Jesus was drinking booze does not mean He actually was.

It cannot be proven from scripture that Jesus actually drank alcohol as the word wine simply means fruit of the vine and does not designate whether it's fermented or not.

Of course people that like to drink the booze claim Jesus was a drunk so they can feel good about themselves being drunkards.

That's why people drink booze so they can get their buzz on which is being a drunkard which is sinful behavior that God's Word says causes some to not be allowed in to God's Kingdom:

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Due to the false doctrines of so called once saved always saved people think Galatians 5:19-21 is not applicable to them but they are in error.

Drinking and drunkenness are 2 different things! Nobody is advocating for drunkenness. All the Scriptures regarding drinking warn against drunkenness NOT drinking. Self control is key, just like in eating food. Food and drink are one and the same!!

 

[TruthDefender]

That's not entirely true, there is very strong evidence that Jesus used true alcoholic wine for the first communion. It was at a Passover feast, which is always held in the Spring of the year. Grapes are harvested in late Summer.

So if it really was just grape juice that Jesus had the disciples drink, it would have been bare minimum 6 months old (and probably more like 8).

Unpasteurized grape juice does not last for 6 months without either spoiling or fermenting. I know because I grow grapes and I have tried it. Even with modern refrigeration it starts to ferment or spoil after about 6 weeks.

I find it surprising that you don't think Jesus could have possessed the self-control to have a little wine yet stop before becoming drunk . If self-control is such a foreign concept to you then I think you are wise to abstain completely and I applaud that decision!

I left the 100% grape juice (glass jar) out on the counter for a few days and was surprised to find that it had spoiled.

 

[TruthDefender]

Drinking is synonymous to eating

Drunkenness is synonymous to gluttony/ over consumption.

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, that's why I've been telling other to beware of the OSAS heresy

I believe every word in Scripture. Do you?

OSAS is:
Once God saves anyone, God saves, it is not the self that saves anyone Phil 3. To see to not put any trust in self and even let go of Law to win the risen Son to do the love and mercy through you to all, that Son has already done is the call John 13:34
Thanks God approved

 

[TruthDefender]

OSAS is:
Once God saves anyone, God saves, it is not the self that saves anyone Phil 3. To see to not put any trust in self and even let go of Law to win the risen Son to do the love and mercy through you to all, that Son has already done is the call John 13:34
Thanks God approved

Scripture doesn’t teach OSAS. There are too many warnings about falling away.

 

[homwardbound]

Scripture doesn’t teach OSAS. There are too many warnings about falling away.

God teaches, preaches, said I am here to save you, will you believe me or not or will you continue to do your own things and be saved by your dung? in your own faulty interpretations from religions?
Saul saw, to not do as he was doing. God saved him from religion. Whom Was the chief of sinners under religion.
Now Paul, changed by God in revealing truth to Paul. No flesh other than Son's can ever please Father ever.
As he has now done that once for everyone to be new Hebrews 7:11-12, it is done, John 19:30.

Filled for us all to believe, receive and see and be new in love and mercy to all too. Father leading in Father's Holy Spirit through us. Those born again see in Spirit, Learn to see no more of the physical flesh. Son was once known in the flesh, today no more 2 Cor 5:16.

He is risen where new life in Father's Spirit and Truth is given to see clearly, learning from mistakes, not condemned by God anymore, Romans 8:1, yet by people as yourself do, even as I in past did under religions thrall. No more, since God took over by my being willing to God, not religion(s) anymore. God makes and corrects his kids through trust to God Father in risen Son for them alone. No longer dependent on self to be righteous ever. God reversed the curse of the first Adam to now stand in Col 1:21-23, no matter what troubles happen.

So Paul, who was Saul gave up being under Law, counted that as dung, to win Son. Reported in Phi 3, and there he challenges people like yourself, you think you are righteous, me more so then writes it out to prove it, how he could not receive any truth under any Law. Gave up Law
Wow, woe is me as Isaiah 6:1-7 touches my lips with the tongs of God's Holy Fire that has come today , yesterday and forever through the done work of Son once for us all to be made new by Father only if one is willing between Father and themselves. God does not force or manipulate anyone as people do and continue to in general do, through religions!

 

[homwardbound]

Scripture doesn’t teach OSAS. There are too many warnings about falling away.

God teaches each child of his how to quit drinking too much as many do that and try to stop. Many not able to, many as some do quit on their own, as pride enters into those
My Alcoholism was corrected by God through me from God to me over 42 years ago now.

I am not bragging, I am standing in trust to God for everything. I know my own first birth depravity, I quit being under Law. No upholding Law as good to work it though me by Father and Son only.
Therefore, turn to God to hear truth over error in each person privately between God and self. Be revealed truth from God and quit too. By God for you, not of self where pride enters in, ands decieves many. Anyone of you doers thinking you are right on your own accord, might want to read Luke 18:9-14 and see who is justified the sinner or the self righteous ones
Love to you in trust to God for you, thank you

 

[TruthDefender]

God teaches each child of his how to quit drinking too much as many do that and try to stop. Many not able to, many as some do quit on their own, as pride enters into those
My Alcoholism was corrected by God through me from God to me over 42 years ago now.

I am not bragging, I am standing in trust to God for everything. I know my own first birth depravity, I quit being under Law. No upholding Law as good to work it though me by Father and Son only.
Therefore, turn to God to hear truth over error in each person privately between God and self. Be revealed truth from God and quit too. By God for you, not of self where pride enters in, ands decieves many. Anyone of you doers thinking you are right on your own accord, might want to read Luke 18:9-14 and see who is justified the sinner or the self righteous ones
Love to you in trust to God for you, thank you

If you have/ had a problem with drinking due to a lack of self control then you should stay away from drinking alcohol, by all means. However, you should never put this prohibition on someone else. The same goes for eating foods that you have a problem with.

In reality, the Scripture does NOT teach this man-made prohibition!

--"So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— "Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle," which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?"
Colossians 2:16, 20-22 NKJV

--"No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for your stomach’s sake and your frequent infirmities."
I Timothy 5:23 NKJV

Blessings

 

[homwardbound]

If you have/ had a problem with drinking due to a lack of self control then you should stay away from drinking alcohol, by all means. However, you should never put this prohibition on someone else. The same goes for eating foods that you have a problem with.

In reality, the Scripture does NOT teach this man-made prohibition!

--"So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— "Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle," which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?"
Colossians 2:16, 20-22 NKJV

--"No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for your stomach’s sake and your frequent infirmities."
I Timothy 5:23 NKJV

Blessings

so sorry you read my response post incorrectly
It is about if you, or anyone had a problem in drinking or anything else and wants to stop, being guilty over it
I never accused anyone, you or anyone else. I talked of my own experience and never said anyone has to stop anything. it is truly only between God and each person. Unless another person harms another person, such as driving drunk and harming others
You might want to see "touched by an angel"? Series. There is an episode of a drunk driver that killed others driving drunk, to me very enlightening. In fact the entire series an eye opener.
Thank you though for stating as you stated in care, thank you, just not what was said by me or meant that way at all
God is Love and this Love goes forward forever 1 Cor 13:13

 

[homwardbound]

OSAS is:
Once God saves anyone, God saves, it is not the self that saves anyone Phil 3. To see to not put any trust in self and even let go of Law to win the risen Son to do the love and mercy through you to all, that Son has already done is the call John 13:34
Thanks God approved

Okay, thank you free choice to us all, love all anyways I see as said John 13:34

 

[TruthDefender]

so sorry you read my response post incorrectly
It is about if you, or anyone had a problem in drinking or anything else and wants to stop, being guilty over it
I never accused anyone, you or anyone else. I talked of my own experience and never said anyone has to stop anything. it is truly only between God and each person. Unless another person harms another person, such as driving drunk and harming others
You might want to see "touched by an angel"? Series. There is an episode of a drunk driver that killed others driving drunk, to me very enlightening. In fact the entire series an eye opener.
Thank you though for stating as you stated in care, thank you, just not what was said by me or meant that way at all
God is Love and this Love goes forward forever 1 Cor 13:13

God is surely Love, and loves all people. I’m not accusing anyone per se, I’m just defending what the Bible states about the subject.

I don’t recall now who said what on this thread, but when people say God prohibits these things, when He obviously doesn’t, then I will defend Scripture, and NOT man’s tradition.

Ik many of my own brethren believe in this man-made prohibition, which is a hammy-down Gospel (added to doctrine) from the last 200 yrs. This is heresy! We are not to add or take away from His word (Rev. 22).

As far as series are concerned, you might want to watch The Chosen on Netflix (superb series).