Alcohol Damages Health

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Here are the questions once again.
What is wrong with asking these questions in determining the context @Luke1710 ?

Wine is a generic term for fruit juice as in fruit of the vine.
Some uses are obvious as to whether or not the term wine is referring to fermented or unfermented. You have to look at context to determine.
In other cases, such as Jesus' miracle at the wedding, you cannot assume it is alcohol.

1. Was everyone already drunk?

2. Was Jesus contributing to further drunkenness by a first miracle bartender?

3. Is Jesus fulfilling the law by not only condoning drunkenness, but also contributing to it?

4. Is God tempting men to sin?

5. Is God inspiring OT Scripture forbidding drunkenness, but making an exception for special events?

6. Is new wine No good, because only drunkenness feels good and brings joy.

7. Is this never true for a delicious sweet beverage though?

These are just a few questions I ask myself if I want an honest answer in spite of my flesh that has been biased to drink all sorts of intoxicating beverages in my past.

I can agree with you on the last items you mentioned [because] the believers body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
 
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In another thread there are drunks advocating for drinking the booze claiming it's healthy... but recent medical studies are now proving that NO amount of alcohol is healthy for one's body

it's known medical fact that alcohol is harmful to your health and Christians
have been bought with a price they are not their own and are called to glorify
God in their bodies (1 Corinthians 6:19-20) so drinking alcohol is sinful behavior.

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy;
for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Christians have no right to abuse their body by ingesting alcohol.
Those that don't take their relationship with the Lord seriously
would be the ones drinking booze while claiming to be Christians.



Medical STUDY - No Safe Level of Alcohol
Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation in Seattle Washington

Paris (AFP) - Even an occasional glass of wine or beer increases the risk of health problems and dying, according to a major study on drinking in 195 nations that attributes 2.8 million premature deaths worldwide each year to booze.

"There is no safe level of alcohol," said Max Griswold, a researcher at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation in Seattle, Washington and lead author for a consortium of more than 500 experts.

Despite recent research showing that light-to-moderate drinking reduces heart disease, the new study found that alcohol use is more likely than not to do harm.

"The protective effect of alcohol was offset by the risks," Griswold told AFP in summarising the results, published in medical journal The Lancet on Friday.

"Overall, the health risks associated with alcohol rose in line with the amount consumed each day."

Compared to abstinence, imbibing one "standard drink" -- 10 grammes of alcohol, equivalent to a small beer, glass of wine or shot of spirits -- per day, for example, ups the odds of developing at least one of two dozen health problems by about half-a-percent, the researchers reported.

Looked at one way, that seems like a small increment: 914 out of 100,000 teetotallers will encounter those problems, compared to 918 people who imbibe seven times per week.

"But at the global level, that additional risk of 0.5 percent among (once-a-day) drinkers corresponds to about 100,000 additional deaths each year," said senior author Emmanuela Gakidou, a professor at the University of Washington and a director at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation.

- 'Less is better, none is best' -

"Those are excess deaths, in other words, that could be avoided," she told AFP.

The risk climbs in a steep "J-curve", the study found.

An average of two drinks per day, for example, translated into a 7.0 percent hike in disease and injury compared to those who opt for abstinence.

With five "units" of alcohol per day, the likelihood of serious consequences jumps by 37 percent.

The "less is better, none is best" finding jibes with the World Health Organization's long-standing position, but is at odds with many national guidelines, especially in the developed world.

Britain's health authority, for example, suggests not exceeding 14 drinks per week "to keep health risks from alcohol to a low level".

"There is always a lag between the publication of new evidence and the modification and adoption of revised guidelines," said Gakidou, who admitted to being an "occasional drinker" herself.

"The evidence shows what the evidence shows, and I -- like 2.4 billion other people on the planet that also consume alcohol -- need to take it seriously."

Overall, drinking was the seventh leading risk factor for premature death and disease in 2016, accounting for just over two percent of deaths in women and nearly seven percent in men.

The top six killers are high blood pressure, smoking, low-birth weight and premature delivery, high blood sugar (diabetes), obesity and pollution.

But in the 15-49 age bracket, alcohol emerged as the most lethal factor, responsible for more than 12 percent of deaths among men, the study found.

- The 95 percent club -

The main causes of alcohol-related deaths in this age group were tuberculosis, road injuries and "self-harm", mainly suicide.

King's College London professor Robyn Burton, who did not take part in the study, described it as "the most comprehensive estimate of the global burden of alcohol use to date."

The examination of impacts drew from more than 600 earlier studies, while a country-by-country tally of prevalence -- the percentage of men and women who drink, and how much they consume -- drew from another 700.

Both were grounded in new methods that compensated for the shortcomings of earlier efforts.

Among men, drinking alcohol in 2016 was most widespread in Denmark (97 percent), along with Norway, Argentina, Germany, and Poland (94 percent).

In Asia, South Korean men took the lead, with 91 percent hitting the bottle at least once in a while.

Among women, Danes also ranked first (95 percent), followed by Norway (91 percent), Germany and Argentina (90 percent), and New Zealand (89 percent).

The biggest drinkers, however, were found elsewhere.

Men in Romania who partake knocked back a top-scoring eight drinks a day on average, with Portugal, Luxembourg, Lithuania and Ukraine just behind at seven "units" per day.

Ukranian women who drink were in a league of their own, putting away more than four glasses or shots every 24 hours, followed by Andorra, Luxembourg, Belarus, Sweden, Denmark, Ireland and Britain, all averaging about three per day.

Source - https://www.yahoo.com/news/zero-tolerance-no-safe-level-alcohol-study-says-224245668.html

Matthew 24:48-51 – A drinking servant is unprepared for his Lord’s return.

Luke 1:15 – John the Baptist drank neither grape juice nor wine.

Luke 12:45 – Christ warned against drunkenness.

Luke 21:34 – Drunkenness will cause a person not to be ready for the Lord’s return.

Romans 13:13 – Do not walk in drunkenness or immorality.

Romans 14:21 – Do not do anything that will hurt your testimony as a believer.

1 Corinthians 5:11 – If a Christian brother is a drinker, do not associate with him.

1 Corinthians 6:10 – Drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God

Galatians 5:21 – Acts of the sinful nature, such as drunkenness, will prohibit a person from inheriting the kingdom of God.

Ephesians 5:18 – In contrast to being drunk with wine, the believer is to be filled with the Spirit.

1 Thessalonians 5:6-7 – Christians are to be alert and self-controlled, belonging to the day. Drunkards belong to the night.

1 Timothy 3:2-3 – Bishops (elders) are to be temperate, sober, and not near any wine.

1 Timothy 3:8 – Deacons are to be worthy of respect and not drinkers.

1 Timothy 3:11 – Deacons’ wives are to be temperate and sober.

Titus 1:7-8 – An overseer is to be disciplined.

Titus 2:2-3 – The older men and older women of the church are to be temperate and not addicted to wine.

1 Peter 4:3-4 – The past life of drunkenness and carousing has no place in the Christian’s life.’
 
I have no problem with people who don’t want to drink, for whatever reason, but I do have a BIG problem with false doctrine.

This really is the crux of the matter for me. Adding to or deleting from the actual Biblical truth in order to put others under a law that does not exist is anti-Christian cult behavior. Any person or church doing this should be shunned and avoided.
 
You are new here unless you had multiple aliases. I would take time to read what those symbols say. The big red X says it means that I "disagree."
Well, you clearly disagreed with me and misrepresented, not once, but twice, what I said previously.
Did you misunderstand what I said?

Just curious, how do we add these symbols, other than the thumbs up?
 
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Just hover your mouse over the thumbs up [bottom right] and the rest of the emojis will show up. If you're on a handheld device, select and hold the thumbs up emoji until the others show up.
 
I do not drink and am not going to start now, nor will I allow myself to determine who or what the standard is of moderation when it comes to drinking alcoholic beverages.
The standard is “Can I still be led by the Spirit?” That’s the standard for all sons of God.
 
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This really is the crux of the matter for me. Adding to or deleting from the actual Biblical truth in order to put others under a law that does not exist is anti-Christian cult behavior. Any person or church doing this should be shunned and avoided.

Well, I know no church is perfect to the letter of Scripture; although I wish I could find one. None of us are perfect, for sure!!

I just believe the Lord helped me understand this subject more clearly. I do believe it is an ill begotten, false, hammy down doctrine that should never have started. Also, many good brethren won’t even talk about it which is very shameful!!

We should always be open to discussing all subjects in Scripture….. Just my thoughts.
 
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Wow, got it!! But they’re so tiny, I need a magnifier to see them. Lol

Thank you! 🙂
 
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The 20 Warnings Against Alcohol in the Bible:


These passages caution against alcohol itself, not merely drunkenness:


Passages for the Old Testament Saint:


1. Deuteronomy 29:5-6 - God provided no grape juice or intoxicating drink in the wilderness so Israel would know Him.
2. Deuteronomy 32:33 - The enemy's wine is like the poison of serpents compared to the Israelites' "pure blood of the grape" (verse 14).
3. 1 Samuel 1:14-15 - Hannah, accused of drunkenness, said she drank no wine.
4. Proverbs 4:17 - Alcoholic drink is called the “wine of violence.”
5. Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker; strong drink is raging.
6. Proverbs 23:31 - God instructs not to look at intoxicating drinks.
7. Proverbs 23:32 - Alcoholic drinks bite like a serpent and sting like an adder.
8. Proverbs 23:35 - Alcohol makes the drinker insensitive to pain, inhibiting warnings. It is also habit-forming.
9. Proverbs 31:4-5 - Kings, princes, and others who rule and judge must not drink alcohol, as it perverts judgment.
10. Ecclesiastes 2:3 - The king tried everything, including intoxicating drink, to find satisfaction but did not (cf. Ecclesiastes 12:8).
11. Ecclesiastes 10:17 - A land is blessed when its leaders do not drink.
12. Isaiah 5:22 - There is a woe to those who mix strong drinks.
13. Jeremiah 35:2-14 - The Rechabites drank no grape juice or intoxicating wine and were blessed.
14. Daniel 1:5-17 - Daniel and his friends refused the king’s intoxicating wine and were blessed for it.
15. Hosea 4:11 - Intoxicating wine seduces the heart.


Passages for the New Testament Saint:

16. 1 Timothy 3:2-3 - Bishops (elders) are to be temperate, sober, and avoid wine.
17. 1 Timothy 3:8 - Deacons are to be respected and not drinkers.
18. 1 Timothy 3:11 - Deacons’ wives are to be temperate and sober.
19. Titus 1:7-8 - A bishop is not to be given to wine.
20. Titus 2:2-3 - Older men and women of the church are to be temperate and not addicted to wine.



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To all:

Alcohol is not a food, it is a drug. Why do you think most alcoholic beverages have no nutrition label on them?

Again, if you put alcohol in a glass, and you put a dirty penny in there, what will happen to the penny? It will clean the dirt off the penny. Now, the alcohol has no way of knowing if it is in your body or not. What it did to the penny, it is now going to do that to your insides.

A UK study shows that even moderate drinking shrinks the brain. Do you want a smaller brain? I sure don't.

Also, alcohol leads to drunk driving and kills people every day in horrible ways. Families are ruined every year by this deadly drug. However, eating a chicken leg while driving is not going to lead you to be drunk and crash into people and kill them. Big difference.

The New Testament tells you to be sober minded many times. Just two drinks can significantly effect a person's ability to drive a car (Which can put at risk the lives of others - Thereby you are not loving your neighbor).


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Well, I know no church is perfect to the letter of Scripture; although I wish I could find one. None of us are perfect, for sure!!

Being imperfect isn't the problem. Any true Christian knows and will gladly admit they are imperfect and open to discussion. That is humility.

Condemning people to hell for [insert man-made unBiblical law here] is the problem. Any person or church doing this has usurped Christ and made themselves God. They have made themselves infallible in their false judgment of others. That shows lack of humility, arrogance, and abusiveness. See the difference?

Also: What is "hammy down"? I'm not familiar with that phrase.
 
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-Matthew 24:48-51 – A drinking servant is unprepared for his Lord’s return.
* This is a parable about a cruel, drunk servant who took advantage of his free time before the master’s return. Again drunkenness.

-Luke 1:15 – John the Baptist drank neither grape juice nor wine.
* agreed

-Luke 12:45 – Christ warned against drunkenness.
* Yes, drinking a little wine and drunkenness are not the same thing.

-Luke 21:34 – Drunkenness will cause a person not to be ready for the Lord’s return.
* Yes, once again, drunkenness not being sober.

-Romans 13:13 – Do not walk in drunkenness or immorality.
* Agreed

Romans 14:21 – Do not do anything that will hurt your testimony as a believer.
* Agreed, you don’t drink in front of brethren that have problems with alcohol, or are weak in the faith.

-1 Corinthians 5:11 – If a Christian brother is a drinker, do not associate with him.
* Yes, a fellow brother in Christ who is a drunkard. Agreed

-1 Corinthians 6:10 – Drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God
* Agreed

-Galatians 5:21 – Acts of the sinful nature, such as drunkenness, will prohibit a person from inheriting the kingdom of God.
* Agreed, drunkenness

-Ephesians 5:18 – In contrast to being drunk with wine, the believer is to be filled with the Spirit.
* Again drunkenness, yes

-1 Thessalonians 5:6-7 – Christians are to be alert and self-controlled, belonging to the day. Drunkards belong to the night.
* Again Drunkards, drunkenness

-1 Timothy 3:2-3 – Bishops (elders) are to be temperate, sober, and not near any wine.
* Yes, they are not supposed to drink wine, because they’re supposed to always be on duty to serve the congregation.

-1 Timothy 3:8 – Deacons are to be worthy of respect and not drinkers.
* Actually NO!
“Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money,”
‭‭I Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭8‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
(Ie. not given, as we say today, to too much wine) which means they can drink.


-1 Timothy 3:11 – Deacons’ wives are to be temperate and sober.
* Yes

-Titus 1:7-8 – An overseer is to be disciplined.
* not given to wine.

-Titus 2:2-3 – The older men and older women of the church are to be temperate and not addicted to wine.
* Actually not all true:
“that the older men be sober, reverent, temperate, sound in faith, in love, in patience;
the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things—”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2‬:‭2‬-‭3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
(Ie. not given, as we say today, to too much wine) which means they can drink.

-1 Peter 4:3-4 – The past life of drunkenness and carousing has no place in the Christian’s life.’
* Agreed, you don’t want to get drunk and carouse as in a college party life. Absolutely!

My remarks are above following each (*). All of these verses, as I said before, warn against drunkenness. Yes, we are called to live soberly and responsibly.
 
To all:

Alcohol is not a food, it is a drug. Why do you think most alcoholic beverages have no nutrition label on them?

Again, if you put alcohol in a glass, and you put a dirty penny in there, what will happen to the penny? It will clean the dirt off the penny. Now, the alcohol has no way of knowing if it is in your body or not. What it did to the penny, it is now going to do that to your insides.

A UK study shows that even moderate drinking shrinks the brain. Do you want a smaller brain? I sure don't.

Also, alcohol leads to drunk driving and kills people every day in horrible ways. Families are ruined every year by this deadly drug. However, eating a chicken leg while driving is not going to lead you to be drunk and crash into people and kill them. Big difference.

The New Testament tells you to be sober minded many times. Just two drinks can significantly effect a person's ability to drive a car (Which can put at risk the lives of others - Thereby you are not loving your neighbor).


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All the more reason to be responsible in your actions, as Jesus has told us. :)
 
All the more reason to be responsible in your actions, as Jesus has told us. :)

Scripture commands you to be sober (1 Peter 1:13 KJV) (1 Peter 4:7 KJV) (1 Timothy 3:2 KJV) (1 Timothy 3:11 KJV) (Titus 1:8 KJV) (Titus 2:2 KJV) (Titus 2:4 KJV) (Titus 2:6 KJV) (Titus 2:12 KJV) (1 Thessalonians 5:6, 7, 8). For God's Word wants us to be sober minded for our adversary the devil, is a roaring lion, who walks about, seeking those whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8 KJV).

Question: Are you at the same level of sobriety when you take your first drink before not taking it?
The obvious answer is... "no." Sure you may not be smash drunk yet, but you are not as sober as you were before taking your first sip or your first glass. Alcohol impairs judgment. So any amount of alcohol leads you to be less sober than you were before. It's a logical deduction and fact you cannot escape. Unless of course you re-interpret a believer's instructions to "be sober" (KJV) νήφω (nēphō) Strong's G5325.

Just one drink can lead you to fail a sobriety test if your driving and pulled over by the cops.

Of course these factors do play a part:

• body weight
• metabolism
• how fast it was consumed
• food intake
• the type of test (field sobriety vs. breath/blood)
• individual sensitivity

But at the end of the day, if you do so and another tries to copy you and they fail because they cannot pass the sobriety test like you while driving, then, they can get arrested. The point here is that even law enforcement sees your judgment as impaired by your drinking. Meaning, your less sober after one drink than you were before you had the first drink or glass. I am sure your friend had wished they heeded the words of Scripture, "be sober."


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To all:

Alcohol is not a food, it is a drug. Why do you think most alcoholic beverages have no nutrition label on them?

Again, if you put alcohol in a glass, and you put a dirty penny in there, what will happen to the penny? It will clean the dirt off the penny. Now, the alcohol has no way of knowing if it is in your body or not. What it did to the penny, it is now going to do that to your insides.

A UK study shows that even moderate drinking shrinks the brain. Do you want a smaller brain? I sure don't.

Also, alcohol leads to drunk driving and kills people every day in horrible ways. Families are ruined every year by this deadly drug. However, eating a chicken leg while driving is not going to lead you to be drunk and crash into people and kill them. Big difference.

The New Testament tells you to be sober minded many times. Just two drinks can significantly effect a person's ability to drive a car (Which can put at risk the lives of others - Thereby you are not loving your neighbor).


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No doubt, you can find whatever study you want on the internet, to say whatever you want, to MOSTLY pander to your cause. Good for you.

I trust in God’s word not in man-made traditions, or in some random study that once again was written by man in his worldly wisdom.
 
Being imperfect isn't the problem. Any true Christian knows and will gladly admit they are imperfect and open to discussion. That is humility.

Condemning people to hell for [insert man-made unBiblical law here] is the problem. Any person or church doing this has usurped Christ and made themselves God. They have made themselves infallible in their false judgment of others. That shows lack of humility, arrogance, and abusiveness. See the difference?

Also: What is "hammy down"? I'm not familiar with that phrase.

I hope you don’t think I’m condemning anyone for saying “False doctrine?” I totally agree with your statements. I feel people are inserting/ adding their emotions into this rather than really understanding the verses; reading too much into it and distorting the meaning.

For example:
-1 Tim 3:8— someone said that Deacons are not to be drinkers. In reality, the actual verse does NOT say that:
“Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money,”
‭‭I Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭8‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
The bold statement means not given to too much wine, which means they can drink.

-Titus 2:2-3—- that same person said the the older men and women are not to be addicted to wine; which implies drinking. The actual verse reads:
“that the older men be sober, reverent, temperate, sound in faith, in love, in patience; the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things—”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2‬:‭2‬-‭3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
The bold statements mean not given to too much wine, in our vernacular (another way of saying, not addicted), to be sober.

People are wrongfully equating drinking with drunkenness. It’s like equating eating desserts or bread with obesity or diabetes. The same logic applies.
Being imperfect isn't the problem. Any true Christian knows and will gladly admit they are imperfect and open to discussion. That is humility.

Condemning people to hell for [insert man-made unBiblical law here] is the problem. Any person or church doing this has usurped Christ and made themselves God. They have made themselves infallible in their false judgment of others. That shows lack of humility, arrogance, and abusiveness. See the difference?

Also: What is "hammy down"? I'm not familiar with that phrase.

I hope you don’t think I’m condemning anyone for saying “False doctrine?” I totally agree with your statements. I feel people are inserting/ adding their emotions into this rather than really understanding the verses; reading too much into it and distorting the meaning.

For example:
-1 Tim 3:8— someone said that Deacons are not to be drinkers. In reality, the actual verse does NOT say that:
“Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money,”
‭‭I Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭8‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
The bold statement means not given to too much wine, which means they can drink.

-Titus 2:2-3—- that same person said the the older men and women are not to be addicted to wine; which implies drinking. The actual verse reads:
“that the older men be sober, reverent, temperate, sound in faith, in love, in patience; the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things—”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2‬:‭2‬-‭3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
The bold statements mean not given to too much wine, in our vernacular (another way of saying, not addicted), to be sober.

People are wrongfully equating drinking with drunkenness. It’s like equating eating desserts or bread with obesity or diabetes. The same logic applies.

Oh, “hammy down” is something of yours given to someone else (clothing, objects). In this case, an idea made up, handed down (traditions).
 
Scripture commands you to be sober (1 Peter 1:13 KJV) (1 Peter 4:7 KJV) (1 Timothy 3:2 KJV) (1 Timothy 3:11 KJV) (Titus 1:8 KJV) (Titus 2:2 KJV) (Titus 2:4 KJV) (Titus 2:6 KJV) (Titus 2:12 KJV) (1 Thessalonians 5:6, 7, 8). For God's Word wants us to be sober minded for our adversary the devil, is a roaring lion, who walks about, seeking those whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8 KJV).

Question: Are you at the same level of sobriety when you take your first drink before not taking it?
The obvious answer is... "no." Sure you may not be smash drunk yet, but you are not as sober as you were before taking your first sip or your first glass. Alcohol impairs judgment. So any amount of alcohol leads you to be less sober than you were before. It's a logical deduction and fact you cannot escape. Unless of course you re-interpret a believer's instructions to "be sober" (KJV) νήφω (nēphō) Strong's G5325.

Just one drink can lead you to fail a sobriety test if your driving and pulled over by the cops.

Of course these factors do play a part:

• body weight
• metabolism
• how fast it was consumed
• food intake
• the type of test (field sobriety vs. breath/blood)
• individual sensitivity

But at the end of the day, if you do so and another tries to copy you and they fail because they cannot pass the sobriety test like you while driving, then, they can get arrested. The point here is that even law enforcement sees your judgment as impaired by your drinking. Meaning, your less sober after one drink than you were before you had the first drink or glass. I am sure your friend had wished they heeded the words of Scripture, "be sober."


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Yes, be sober and responsible for your actions in both eating and drinking. The same applies with eating!