I'll refer you to post #1837 one on many where I shared how to be saved according scripture.
Acts 2:38 Comparison: Evangelical vs. Oneness / Baptismal-Regeneration View
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I'll refer you to post #1837 one on many where I shared how to be saved according scripture.
Have you considered the fact that Romans is a letter Paul wrote to the Christians in Rome/ In his letter there is no chapter and verse but they were added to help us. You said in Romans 10 there is no mention of baptism but context disagrees with your assumption because in chapter 6 that is exactly what he is talking about so you have to make both harmonize.
Also if you read context in Ephesians Chapter 1 through Chapter 2 you will see the same wording about how God transformed you from dead in sin to alive in Christ. Paul did not tell the Romans one thing and then the Ephesians another. All the apostles taught the same gospel and response to it as did Peter preach it for the first time this side of the cross in Acts 2
Yes, I've considered Acts, Rom, & Eph
Rom 1:
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
(NOTE: The gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to every one that BELIEVES. Not by who talks in tongues or undergo's water baptism. Salvation based on BELIEF/FAITH!)
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
(NOTE: Paul’s thesis for the whole letter = righteousness comes by FAITH from start to finish. Not by rituals or works.)
Rom 4:
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
(NOTE: Not by works, justified by FAITH. Faith is counted as righteousness)
6 Even as David also describeth the """""blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works""""",
(NOTE: Righteousness is imputed thru FAITH [Vs5] without any works or rituals)
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
(NOTE: Abraham the father of ALL believers' righteousness was imputed thru FAITH ALONE)
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
(NOTE: Abraham the father of ALL believers' righteousness was imputed thru FAITH not works)
Rom 5:
1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
(NOTE: When we access Gods GRACE thru FAITH we're Justified = Declared righteous by a sovereign Creator God. PERIOD!)
Ok, Salvations foundation has been built throughout the 1st 5 chapters = Thru grace alone, by faith alone, in Christ alone!!!
I sense your Holy Grail is water baptism.
Water baptism a commandment given by Jesus, Peter & others.
Emblem definition: a symbolic representation of a particular quality or concept.
Water baptism isn't the first breath of one's new spiritual life/birth. Water baptism is an outward Emblem/symbolic representation. A public statement, of belonging to the Lord & self denial. When immersed (buried emblem) & rise up (resurrection emblem). Water baptism isn't about getting saved, it's a response to salvation.
You're publicly partaking in a commanded act of obedience/a gateway to discipleship. This undertaking is an outward physical expression, of the inner spiritual transformation activated, when Christ baptized you with His eternal life giving Holy Spirit. BY GRACE ACCESSED BY FAITH & FAITH ALONE!!!
Jesus also commanded partaking in communion. Although both these actions are commanded acts of obedience. Neither action is the doorway leading to eternal salvation. These events follow the salvation sealing Holy Spirit baptism, performed by Christ alone. See Matt 3:11, Lk 3:16, Mk 1:8, Jn 1:33, Acts 1:4-5, 2:38, 10:45, 11:16)
God transformed you from dead in sin to alive in Christ. BY GRACE THRU FAITH
When FAITH is the Root, obedience will be the fruit.
Rom 6 Paul is preaching to BELIEVERS (See Rom 1:7) They BELIEVED God transformed them from dead in sin to alive in Christ. There faith lead them to be obedient & be water baptized (See Acts 10 God transformed them from dead in sin to alive in Christ & then they were water baptized)
Ir you read the Rom chapter 6 text its about sanctified living not water baptism.
Some additional help on Acts 2. I have commented extensively throughout this thread.
Acts a transitional book (from the dispensation of law to the dispensation of grace) It fulfills prophecy of Joel 2:28-29 & Jesus Matt 16:19
Jesus promises Peter the keys to the kingdom (Matt 16:19).
Peter uses those keys exactly 3 times (Acts 2,8 & 10) each time opening the kingdom's door to a new group. Peter' prophesied key‑holding role is fulfilled.
AFTER ACTS 10, NO ONE NEEDS KEYS ANYMORE
The door is open & the kingdom is accessible.
This is why:
Paul never mentions a formula, never repeats Acts 2:38, never ties tongues to salvation, never says "Peter’s formula is required", never uses "in the name of Jesus" as a baptismal phrase, Paul teaches salvation by grace through faith alone.
Paul's mission isn’t opening the kingdom up, it's building the church inside it. The 3 Acts transitional (from law to grace) events fulfilled Jesus Matt 16:19 prophecy.
Acts 19: Isn't a salvation pattern, NOT a formula, NOT a repeat of Acts 2, NOT a universal requirement.
Here Paul' teaching disciples of John the Baptist who had never heard of the Spirit.. This is a cleanup & not a kingdom opening.
If Acts 2:38 were a universal formula, Paul would continue repeating it. He never does. Because the kingdom key/door opening role was Peters, not Paul's & was fulfilled.
You also try to tie Eph to water baptism. It is like mixing law with grace.
Eph 1
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
(NOTE: BY GRACE are you SAVED thru FAITH in His sin atoning sacrifice.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
(NOTE: You heard the gospel of your salvation, you BELIEVED & Christ who knows the true heart of man, sealed you (only he can/water can't) with His Holy Spirit.
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
(NOTE: The earnest = down payment CHRIST-IN-YOU bought/paid for in sinless blood is a guarantee His you're REDEEMED)
Okay you have many things we need to discuss for I think you are missing a lot of points, but I do not have time tonight to go over them with the seriousness needed, so I will have to try to discuss the points you have brought forth tomorrow Lords willing.
Of course you can think anything you like, telling me was Peter was thinking is amazing.
You must have known him well.
How about back to HIS word, I will show you what Peter knew.
You see JESUS gave Peter the keys to heaven and Peter spent a lot of time with JESUS. Matthew 16:19
Peter knew he was GOD in the flesh, followed HIM and OBEYED HIM.
He knows that JESUS said we have to born of water AND, AND, AND of Spirit TO ENTER.John 3:5
Peter also know the purpose of baptism, it was to remove our sins. Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Peter also know since he was one of the 120 people to first recive the Holy Ghost in Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Peter also knew that JESUS send him to the gentiles house to show them how to be saved. Acts 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
So the real conclusion was Peter knows and preached that BOTH ARE REQUIRED to be reborn. SO after JESUS filled them with the Holy Ghost like it did them in the beginning (the 120 were not baptized yet) then he COMMANDED THEM TO BE BAPTIZED.
If Peter left them without baptizing them he failed his mission.
Acts 2:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
End result, they received the Holy Ghost and was Peter baptized WHO CARES WHAT ORDER, JESUS DON'T, JESUS knows they have to be baptized HE'S THE ONE WHO SET IT ALL UP.
NOW IF, IF you can show me ANYWHERE in HIS word that when a person when JESUS fills them with HIS spirit REMOVES their sins I will believe you.
Are you saying this because JESUS filled you and you don't think baptism is necessary? Or are you missing both?
You need to understand what baptism in for, it is for remission of sins. Acts 2:38, Acts 2:16.
You need to understand why JESUS fills us with the Holy Ghost it's for HIM to work throw us. John 4:12
So unless you're going to backup your personal thoughts with SCRIPTURE it's just your personal thoughts and your wrong JESUS is right.
Sorry that's being saved according to YOU, looks like you will not accept scripture and keeping it in context but it's my job to share it anyway.
At least look at what HIS word says.
It's not about me, it's about JESUS.
Romans Paul is speaking to his church and telling them to get out and preach or they would lose their salivation. Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
Eph Paul AGAIN TALKING TO HIS CHURCH NOT THE UNSAVED. Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
THAT DOES NOT TELL ME HOW I GET REBORN???
How does that tell me I how I get rid of my sins?
How does that fill me with the Holy Ghost.
Did you know, I sure I told you JESUS said we need to be born of water and of spirit to ENTER. John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
If your open I can help Peters first message that JESUS promised to be preached in Jerusalem,
Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
As you can see BOTH, AND VERY CLEAR AND SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO BE REBORN, no guessing clear and precise.
Did you also notice when they asked what to do,
Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Peter didn't say confess JESUS and your saved!!!!!!!
You will NOT find how to be reborn after the book of Acts.
More information for you, What does the name John mean in Hebrew?
The name John comes from the Hebrew name Yochanan (יוֹחָנָן), meaning "God is gracious," "God has been gracious," or "Yahweh is merciful/graced," combining "Yo/Yeho" (a form of God's name, YHWH) and "chanan" (to show favor or grace). It was a popular Jewish name, famously held by John the Baptist, who prepared the way for Jesus, signifying divine favor.
Just like Paul said we are saved by grace, GOD GRACIOUSLY gives us the water to REMOVE OUR SINS.
Satan knows what happens in the water, his plan is to keep us out and if we get in it keep JESUS name out of it.
Conclusions we NEED to be repent, get baptized in JESUS name to remove our sins and we also need JESUS to fill us with HIS spirit the Holy Ghost.
HE filled me, HE can and will fill you JESUS IS ALIVE.
Sorry that's being saved according to YOU! You're free to believe & promote whatever you choose.
Rom 1:
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
(NOTE: The gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to every one that BELIEVES. Not by talks in tongues or water baptism. Salvation based on BELIEF/FAITH!)
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
(NOTE: Paul’s thesis for the whole letter = righteousness comes by FAITH from start to finish. Not by rituals or works.)
Rom 4:
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
(NOTE: Not by works, justified by FAITH. Faith is counted as righteousness)
6 Even as David also describeth the """""blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works""""",
(NOTE: Righteousness is imputed thru FAITH [Vs5] without any works or rituals)
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
(NOTE: Abraham the father of ALL believers' righteousness was imputed thru FAITH ALONE)
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
(NOTE: Abraham the father of ALL believers' righteousness was imputed thru FAITH not works)
Rom 5:
1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
(NOTE: When we access Gods GRACE thru FAITH we're Justified = Declared righteous by a sovereign Creator God. PERIOD!)
Eph 1
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
(NOTE: BY GRACE are you SAVED thru FAITH in His sin atoning sacrifice.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
(NOTE: You heard the gospel of your salvation, you BELIEVED & Christ who know the true heart of man, sealed you (only he can/water can't) with His Holy Spirit.
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
(NOTE: The earnest = down payment CHRIST-IN-YOU bought/paid for in sinless blood is a guarantee His you're REDEEMED)
Water doesn't remove sins: It's FAITH placed in the sin atoning sacrifice of of the Lord Jesus! He did/does all the work, all we need to do is TRUST HIM!
Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words: SALVATION
(b) of the spiritual and eternal deliverance granted immediately by God to those who accept His conditions of repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus, in whom alone it is to be obtained, Acts 4:12, and upon confession of Him as Lord, Romans 10:10; for this purpose the gospel is the saving instrument, Romans 1:16; Ephesians 1:13 (See further under SAVE);
(MY NOTE: """Eternal deliverance granted immediately""" by God to those who accept His conditions of repentance (FROM UNBELIEF to BELIEF) and FAITH placed in the Lord Jesus, in whom alone it is to be obtained. NO H2O NEEDED!
Why do you say water does not remove sins?
TELL ME WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO TO GET MY SINS REMOVED?
For instance I will claim as you do, but I claim you get your sins removed by being baptized in JESUS name.
NOW I WILL BACK IT UP.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
I'm not sure how you claim our sins are removed CAN YOU SHOW ME, SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW THEY ARE?
OR JUST READING PAUL LETTERS REMOVES THEM???
Of coure with the scripture i shared when sins are remitted in the water make your statement a lie.
No inference of silence made as Peter specifically stated that it is through the name of Jesus that believers receive remission of sin. What Peter revealed in verse 43, became a reality for those who believed and obeyed his command. (Acts 10:47-48)
"To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” ESV
"All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” NIV
“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.” (Acts 10:43 KJV)
This parallels the command Peter gave at Pentecost. Be baptized (water) everyone of you in the name of Jesus for remission of sin. (Acts 2:38)
You neglect to include the essential element revealed in the scripture; Jesus' name. This is a clear reference to water baptism:
"To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins."
"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord."
Have FAITH in Jesus sin atoning sacrifice. He is FAITHFUL to forgive & He imputes (see Lev 23 & Rom chapter 4) your sin onto Himself (He bought them with His Blood) & then He
impute His righteousness onto the believer. Who then become the righteousness of God in Christ (2 Cor 5:21). He did & does ALL the work. All we need do is trust him. I trust Him. Amen
1 Jn 3:4 Sin is a transgression of the Law:
Ok, we've all have broken God's law. No one can say he is not a sinner until some means is provided (not to take away the law) but to remove the sin, which is the transgression of the law. Faith placed in Jesus sin payment & resurrection takes away/removes the believers sins. Once sins have been removed, there is no transgression of the law.
Brother, thank you for engaging. I agree that Acts 10:43 explicitly states how remission of sins is received—through the name of Jesus by believing. Where we differ is when that remission occurs.
Acts 10 does not say forgiveness was withheld until baptism. In fact, the narrative order argues the opposite.
Remission is promised to believers (before baptism)“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.” (Acts 10:43 KJV)
Peter had not yet commanded baptism. The promise is attached to believing, not to a subsequent act.
The Holy Ghost fell immediately upon hearing and believing“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.” (Acts 10:44 KJV)
Scripture is clear that the Spirit does not indwell those still in their sins:
“The world cannot receive him.” (John 14:17 KJV)
If sins were not yet remitted, God would be sealing unforgiven men with His Spirit—something Scripture never allows.
Peter’s own conclusion confirms faith, not baptism, as the condition“God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ.” (Acts 11:17 KJV)
Peter does not say “when they were baptized,” but “who believed.”
Baptism follows acceptance; it does not produce it“Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?” (Acts 10:47 KJV)
The Spirit was already received. Baptism followed as obedience, testimony, and identification—not as the means of forgiveness.
Acts 2:38 cannot override Acts 10–11Acts 2 occurs in a Jewish, covenant-transition context where repentance, baptism, and Messiah-recognition were publicly required of Israel (cf. Acts 3:19–21). Acts 10 is the first explicit Gentile conversion—and God Himself interrupts Peter to make the order unmistakable.
Scripture interprets Scripture. Acts 10 shows remission → Spirit → baptism, not the reverse.
Grace and peace.
So STILL can't find the way to answer my quesiotions or do you think reading more of HIS word removes our sins and fills us with the Holy Ghost????
We don't need to repent or do anything, EVERYONE is reborn!
App 20 years after the day of Pentecost this happened,
Acts 19
King James Version
19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Proving there is more than just believing AND being baptized in JESUS name is a part of the message.
Paul did not change.
Just like Peter in Acts 2:38 Paul gave them instructions and they OBEYED.
Why did Paul ask that question THEN ask them HOW WERE YOU BAPTIZED?
Brother, thank you for engaging. I agree that Acts 10:43 explicitly states how remission of sins is received—through the name of Jesus by believing. Where we differ is when that remission occurs.
Acts 10 does not say forgiveness was withheld until baptism. In fact, the narrative order argues the opposite.
“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.” (Acts 10:43 KJV)
Peter had not yet commanded baptism. The promise is attached to believing, not to a subsequent act.
“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.” (Acts 10:44 KJV)
Scripture is clear that the Spirit does not indwell those still in their sins:
“The world cannot receive him.” (John 14:17 KJV)
If sins were not yet remitted, God would be sealing unforgiven men with His Spirit—something Scripture never allows.
“God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ.” (Acts 11:17 KJV)
Peter does not say “when they were baptized,” but “who believed.”
“Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?” (Acts 10:47 KJV)
The Spirit was already received. Baptism followed as obedience, testimony, and identification—not as the means of forgiveness.
Acts 2 occurs in a Jewish, covenant-transition context where repentance, baptism, and Messiah-recognition were publicly required of Israel (cf. Acts 3:19–21). Acts 10 is the first explicit Gentile conversion—and God Himself interrupts Peter to make the order unmistakable.
Scripture interprets Scripture. Acts 10 shows remission → Spirit → baptism, not the reverse.
Grace and peace.
You are too funny, making statement like "Acts 10 does not say forgiveness was withheld until baptism. In fact, the narrative order argues the opposite."
You have talked yourself into something that is NOT BIBLE.
Is it GOD who has shackles on your eyes or pride?
HOW COULD THEY POSSIBLE have sins removed WHEN THE ONLY WAY TO HAVE SINS REMOVED IS WHEN SOMEONE IS BAPTIZED IN JESUS NAME, HELLO.
Of course you could show ANY time in HIS word that says very clearly that when you receive the Holy Ghost your sins are gone.
Just stick to scripture not your opinion.
Many are not understanding the spirit coming upon the household while Peter was yet speaking. The coming upon the household was the the giving of the indwelling spirit as promised in the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ. The falling upon was the spirit coming upon them as a sign to show the Jews (Peter and those accompanying him) That God was now bringing in the gentiles as was foretold. The spirit coming upon was the same as when God made the donkey talk it was not the indwelling but signs that God was at work. The spirit only came upon the Apostles at Pentecost in this manner and not again until upon the gentiles as Peter said it only happened as it did when it came upon them at Pentecost. It was not the indwelling but a sign to the Jews for they did not think that the gentiles had any place in the kingdom. God went to great lengths in this chapter to show this fact. The indwelling spirit is given through the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ just as Peter told in Acts 2. Peter new they had not received the indwelling therefore the command to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
In Jesus Name - Father, Son & H/S - Laying on of hands
In Greek, NAME is not just a label. It means AUTHORITY, power, reputation. STRONG’S G3686 — ὄνομα (ónoma) Meaning: reputation, AUTHORITY
Thayer’s Expanded Definition: The name is used for everything which the name covers: AUTHORITY, rank, interests, command, excellences, deeds.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Phil 2:10,11 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
1 Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
IMO, Baptism in the Name of Jesus is OK. Having said that, the RISEN Lord Himself gave this command:
Matt 28:
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, """""baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"""""
OT Laying on of Hands = Sign of AUTHORITYY ability to: impart, commission, bless
Lev 16:21 High Priest had the AUTHORITY to impute the nations sins onto the scape goat)
Num 27:18–23 Moses laid hands on Joshua to transfer leadership
Num 8:10 The elders laid hands on the Levites to commission them
Gen 48:14 Jacob laid hands to bless Ephraim and Manasseh
Jesus chosen apostles continue that exact same pattern.
Acts 8 & 19 are not salvation formulas. They are apostolic authority events.
Paul laying hands in Acts 19 is Moses/Joshua all over again = empowerment & confirmation, not regeneration.
Laying on of hands is a sign of AUTHORITY, kingdom expansion events & NOT a condition for rebirth.
Apostolic signs were credentials, not salvation steps.
They authenticated the messenger, not the convert.
They were temporary & foundational.
They appear in transitional moments (Acts 2, 8, 10, 19).
They are never repeated as requirements in the epistles.
Paul the master builder of the NT Church/Body of Christ:
Never commands tongues, never commands laying on of hands for the Spirit, never repeats Acts 2:38, never ties water to salvation, REPEATEDLY preaches, FAITHP ALONE (Rom 3–5)
The apostolic signs were not the gospel. They were the proof of the gospel's messengers AUTHORITY.
Acts 2:21
And it shall be that whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.’
Romans 10:13
For, “every one who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”
And it shall be that whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.’
Romans 10:13
For, “every one who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”
I sure do agree with you, if JESUS did not fill them with the Holy Ghost Peter may have never baptized them.
Being baptized in JESUS have one spifice porpups, to remove our sins.
Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
JESUS filling us with HIS spirit is totally different thing, us obeying and getting baptized in something we have to do.
Being filled with the spirit is something JESUS does.
So many wasting my time bible studies?
You should study the book of Acts and how to be reborn first, remember JESUS told HIS disciple NOT TO GO OUT WITHOUT A COMFORTER.
If you don't have it, guessing you don't since you don't answer any questions, and you are far from humble, do you consider yourself and JESUS disciple?
One can only plant so many seeds, time to dust my feet, praying that some of them landed on good soil, it's JESUS who gives the increase.