about the baker who lost business when sued by "gays"

[Lanolin]

I would have just sorry we have no cake just bread.
Have a cracker.

Christian bakers really shouldnt bake cakes. I think christian bakers ought to be baking loaves to go with the fish to feed 5000 people rather than muck around with expensive overpriced cakes. IMHO

 

[Lanolin]

I mean if Marie Anotinette was your customer, would you go sorry you are too rich and spoiled. Im not going to bake a cake for you. You just might.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Thank you for asking. My first thought is this: If a gay person can enter a True Church so as to learn about Christ, and give their life to Him . . . then a gay person should be allowed to enter a stupid cake store. This just boggles my mind . . . that we expect the Lord to have Grace, Compassion, and Mercy upon us, but we can't do the same thing for others after we've already received His Grace. This is a massive, massive problem.

So . . . does the cake-maker ask each married couple if they've been shagging each other like wild turkey, or have they been obedient? Does the cake-maker ask, "Well . . . tell me now! Have you Turned to Jesus Christ to have your Sinful Nature taken away? Because lookie here Mr. Doodie . . . if you haven't been Purified by my Lord and Savior . . . well, you ain't a comin' in here!"

Next . . . it seems wise to talk about the Holy Remnant, which is the Body of True Believers . . . and believe me, the number of people who belong to the Family of Circumcision is pathetically small. Yes, this means that I am saying that virtually no one around you is a saved Christian, based upon what I am about to present to you below.

Romans 2:28-29 KJV - 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God."

According to Paul above, a True Christian is a person whose Heart has been Spiritually Circumcised by Christ. And if we think that this is just a crazy idea, it isn't. Paul later wrote the following about Spiritual Circumcision:

Colossians 2:11-14 NLT - "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. 12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. 13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross."

The above verses should shock you, for they are descriptive of how Romans 2:28-29 is actually performed and completed. To be Spiritually Circumcised is what it takes to belong to the Holy Remnant of Christ. If you don't understand this idea of the Remnant, then it is time to Read the Old Testament for the first True time and get this sorted quickly. You need to read the entire Bible in a timeline, chronological format so that you can understand the actual, Biblical story. Imagine reading your favorite book, but never reading it in the order of events? Would you say that you understood the book just as well, even though you never read it in a chronological format (chapter 1, 2, then 3, 4, then 5 and six . . . and so on)? Hardly . . . in fact, it would be very difficult to understand that book, and the amount of work it would take to organize it properly would be incredible . . . and that work has been done. Ask me and I will send you a link to a Bible Study that will walk you through the entire Bible in one year, reading in said fashion. This is a must.

So . . . the Remnant. This concept deals solely with the fact that there are very, very few True Believers walking the planet today. The word Remnant means that there are very few remaining and that the few are far out dwarfed by those who are not a part of said Remnant. It is reported that there are 3+ BILLION Christians in the world today. Based upon what we've discussed regarding the Remnant, how could that number of 3+ billion ever be True? Does half, or 1/3 of the population sound like a Remnant? No. Impossible.

Why did I go through all of that . . . just to talk about the gay life and cake stores? If I only sold air conditioning equipment to True Christians, and they are the ones who have Turned to Christ for the removal of their Sinful Nature, how am I going to make any money? I am making the bold claim that "christians" of today don't have a clue as to their professed Faith . . . and it's Working Mechanisms. It doesn't matter what sin we commit . . . if we have stolen, we are no better off than the man who places his circumcised phallus (a circumcision that represents the Most Holy Covenant of Spiritual Circumcision), it into an evil, feces en-coated place. I personally have slept with far, far too many women in my pre-Transformed life, so I am qualified to ask, "What is the difference between my being intimate with several women in a single week . . . which represents a massive sex addiction, or if a gay man has sex with just one man throughout his entire life?" There is no difference.

So . . . does the cake-maker ask each married couple if they've been shagging each other like wild turkey, or have they been obedient? Does the cake-maker ask, "Well . . . tell me now! Have you Turned to Jesus Christ to have your Sinful Nature taken away? Because lookie here Mr. Doodie . . . if you haven't been Purified by my Lord and Savior . . . well, you ain't a comin' in here!"

Utter folly. Total rubbish. Absolute nonsense, and I am ashamed that "christians" can't reach out and help those that are in the ditch. No, no! Instead of realizing that a person needs help, we "christians" think that it's best to make a big scene out of it . . . as if the cake-owner were perfect himself? Foolishness! Because of the Remnant, BY DEFAULT . . . EVERY CHRISTIAN SHOULD ALREADY KNOW that the vast majority of "said christians" are nothing more than wolves in sheep's clothing . . . all just playing the role.

Those that are lost, wayward, sick, or whatever we want to label them . . . they are waiting for each of us "True Christians" to reach out our hands with a non-judgmental attitude, and help them in the way they need to be helped. When we see one of these wayward souls in quicksand, does a True Christian just keep on walking by . . . doing nothing to help? Is that what Christians do? Do we just look, scoff, and keep on walking? It angers me that this is what I see in the world . . . a body of (whatever this thing is) "christians" that don't have a clue, nor do they understand what this Bible is about.

Grace. Our Bible is about Grace.

Do "You" have Grace in your Heart? Or, is Satan still your Father?

John 8:44 NLT - "For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies."

This is a lengthy answer to a simple question. From what I gather, you would simply ask no questions. But you wouldn't have to ask a single question if someone came in requesting a cake for a gay wedding.

Utter folly. Total rubbish. Absolute nonsense, and I am ashamed that "christians" can't reach out and help those that are in the ditch. No, no! Instead of realizing that a person needs help, we "christians" think that it's best to make a big scene out of it . . . as if the cake-owner were perfect himself? Foolishness! Because of the Remnant, BY DEFAULT . . . EVERY CHRISTIAN SHOULD ALREADY KNOW that the vast majority of "said christians" are nothing more than wolves in sheep's clothing . . . all just playing the role.

Those that are lost, wayward, sick, or whatever we want to label them . . . they are waiting for each of us "True Christians" to reach out our hands with a non-judgmental attitude, and help them in the way they need to be helped. When we see one of these wayward souls in quicksand, does a True Christian just keep on walking by . . . doing nothing to help? Is that what Christians do? Do we just look, scoff, and keep on walking? It angers me that this is what I see in the world . . . a body of (whatever this thing is) "christians" that don't have a clue, nor do they understand what this Bible is about.

Grace. Our Bible is about Grace.

Do "You" have Grace in your Heart? Or, is Satan still your Father?

John 8:44 NLT - "For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies."

This is a lengthy response to a simple question.

Ephesians 4:15 says: "Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ."

I know from hard experience we do people more of a disservice by simply going with the flow rather than telling them the truth. Let me ask this: Do you believe gay marriage is okay or is it sinful? I'm not asking if sleeping around is sinful or if anything else is sinful. I agree many other things are sinful; but let's just stick with gay marriage. If you believe it's sinful, wouldn't the most loving thing you could do be to tell them the truth, for the sake of their souls. If a gay couple came in the store requesting a cake for a gay wedding you wouldn't have to ask a single question, it's already out there. The problem, really, is that those pushing the gay agenda have programmed people to stop believing that homosexuality sinful.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

This is a lengthy response to a simple question.

Ephesians 4:15 says: "Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ."

I know from hard experience we do people more of a disservice by simply going with the flow rather than telling them the truth. Let me ask this: Do you believe gay marriage is okay or is it sinful? I'm not asking if sleeping around is sinful or if anything else is sinful. I agree many other things are sinful; but let's just stick with gay marriage. If you believe it's sinful, wouldn't the most loving thing you could do be to tell them the truth, for the sake of their souls. If a gay couple came in the store requesting a cake for a gay wedding you wouldn't have to ask a single question, it's already out there. The problem, really, is that those pushing the gay agenda have programmed people to stop believing that homosexuality sinful.

I have written an extensive amount on what I have written, and no one thought it wise to even comment. I'm not about to repeat myself . . . this is a merry-go-round and I'm gettin' off of it.

You all enjoy yourselves!

 

[JesusWhereRU]

I wouldn't even ask someone to do something against his will, esp if he said it went against his religion.

but perverts have no respect for religion (or themselves)

 

[ResidentAlien]

I wouldn't even ask someone to do something against his will, esp if he said it went against his religion.

but perverts have no respect for religion (or themselves)

This is actually a very good point.

 

[JesusWhereRU]

I would have just sorry we have no cake just bread.
Have a cracker.

Christian bakers really shouldnt bake cakes. I think christian bakers ought to be baking loaves to go with the fish to feed 5000 people rather than muck around with expensive overpriced cakes. IMHO

just christians bakers?

sounds like u don't like Christians

 

[JesusWhereRU]

This is actually a very good point.

thanks. I think your comment is the first "affirmation" i have received.

But actually, this thought thatthey don't have any respect for themselves is an important one that not many talk about, it seems...

If God is love... and we christians tend to believe that (except when we don't get our way... LOL) then it stands to reason God would not make Laws just for... well, His sake... He says it is wrong to do perverted things bc it harms US not Him. He is in Heaven enjoying the peace and tranquility... (presumably)

He needs nothing from us...

The ones who really love "gays" are the ones who try to get them out of that sick lifestyle so called.. But the haters often convince people they are the ones who "care.."

that's life on Planet Earth in the 21st century... sigh

as President Lincoln used to say

"bass ackwards"

 

[SophieT]

I mean if Marie Antoinette was your customer, would you go sorry you are too rich and spoiled. Im not going to bake a cake for you. You just might.

no. just charge double for the cake

then again it's hard to eat with your head guillotined and all

just answering in keeping with the sentiment

you know, this was a real case and a 'test' case in many ways. so glad you have all the answers over there on the other side of the world

 

[MoonCresta]

different situation

this guy owned the shop

He should not have been forced by the govt to suppress his religious views... no, to give them up "temporarily" (is more accurate)

Religious freedom for all.... It is one of the top reasons Christians supported Trump in big #s

(although even Democrats voted for him and more blacks also, probably since the end of the Civil War...)

Right on Where are you! I think that's where I'll stop in this discussion - the government has no right to intrude into the baker's private business.

As far as how accepting we are supposed to be as Christians - I don't know, I'm not a theologian. I've got a couple of gay friends, and I try to treat them equally and I see their good points and bad points (as humans, not as gay people). I try to treat everyone I meet equally.

Honestly, if God hadn't included it in the Bible as wrong, I might not even realize that it was sinful. However, since he did, I'm totally on board with that.

Saying that to say this, just as a human being, not as a judgemental Christian or anything, my one and only reaction to male homosexuality has always and always will be:

EWWWW GROSSSSSS! Are you kidding??? They do what?????

 

[mailmandan]

So many news stories these days that would have been unfathomable back when I was still in high school in the 80's.

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/20...me-first-mlb-team-wear-pride-themed-uniforms/

 

[ResidentAlien]

"For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths."—2 Timothy 4:3-4

We're there.

I simply don't understand why people can't see the truth that's staring them right in the face. Maybe God has blinded them. But what's the most frustrating to me is that so many people simply don't want to know the truth, they can't be bothered.

 

[JesusWhereRU]

R

Saying that to say this, just as a human being, not as a judgemental Christian or anything, my one and only reaction to male homosexuality has always and always will be:

EWWWW GROSSSSSS! Are you kidding??? They do what?????

for sure

However, it is not judgmental to judge ACTIONS.

And as the Church originally taught (Catholic Church still does teach, despite wayward clergy who do not always teach)

These acts, if not repented of and abandoned, will land you in Hell... Any mortal sin not repented of will land you in eternal Hell.. and Jesus did tell us it is eternal... much as the human part of us ... the irrational part of us .. seems to want to believe everyone will eventually get out of Hell... No, people will get out of Purgatory eventually (temporary hell, as some call it) but they will not get out of Hell... Mortal sin and God have nothing in common... As it says somewhere in the Old T: God's eyes are too pure to look upon sin... best we humans get rid of it... eh?

 

[JesusWhereRU]

So many news stories these days that would have been unfathomable back when I was still in high school in the 80's.

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/20...me-first-mlb-team-wear-pride-themed-uniforms/

yes, i have been having similar thoughts

really creepy how quickly things went... from the crazy sex-focused 60s to now... but we could have predicted that the era of "free love" ... ha ha to that ... would end in legalized murder... to kill the result of that "love" so called... can't have evidence that... it wasn't REAL love at all.... The Church told us differently... but few listen to the Church

 

[Mark47Oz]

Personally, I would have made the cake and prayed "Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do over it" and left it up to Jesus to sort out. Then I would have donated the entire proceeds of the sale to charity so I did not profit from something I did not believe in.

Losing your life's work over a cake just doesn't seem worth it somehow.

 

[Mark47Oz]

Man, of you’d do that, you send the message that what they’re doing is ok. Homosexuality is a grave sin. I agree, they need salvation desperately. But that’s not a reason to bake them a cake. Rather they need to hear the Word and be convicted of their sins.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think a person who is gay is going to listen anyway?

You are better to take the advice of Matthew 10:14 in this sort of situation;

'And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.'

The gay community has shown where it stands on the Christian viewpoint. So why pour petrol on an already burning fire?

 

[kaylagrl]

If it were my shop, I'd have made the cake. Why? Because as a Christian, I need to interact with those who are "sick" . . . not those who are fine and good. I'm sure that the cake wasn't meant to have genitals draped all over it, but probably more like a normal cake . . . and if this is the cake, this was the Christian man's opportunity to show the Love to Christ. But . . . that's not what happened.

We're really blowing it in this world, Christians!

No, sorry, you're wrong. Christians are not "blowing it" by standing against sin, not ever. You can be loving all you want to be, but you cannot agree with sin. He offered to make another type of cake and they refused. He is not in the wrong. You can't go along with the world. Christians accepted homosexuality, now we have transgenders. The world is pushing the church to condone sin, we cannot allow this.

 

[kaylagrl]

Read this article for a description of one of the cake requests. You gotta understand sodomites are anti-Christian.
https://www.newsweek.com/colorado-b...do-cake-other-bakeries-wouldnt-create-1077250

Yes and a trans person sued him also. They dropped it when they realized they weren't going to get big money out of it.

 

[kaylagrl]

I would have just sorry we have no cake just bread.
Have a cracker.

Christian bakers really shouldnt bake cakes. I think christian bakers ought to be baking loaves to go with the fish to feed 5000 people rather than muck around with expensive overpriced cakes. IMHO

His talent is baking cakes, no reason he shouldn't. He disagreed with making a cake celebrating something against his beliefs. Period. For him to do so would be sin according to the Bible, because it is against his conscience.

 

[kaylagrl]

I have written an extensive amount on what I have written, and no one thought it wise to even comment. I'm not about to repeat myself . . . this is a merry-go-round and I'm gettin' off of it.

You all enjoy yourselves!

I gave you a wise comment, hopefully you'll come back and read it. People will not stop pushing. As I said, a transgender person tried to sue him also. But for the baker to go against his conscience is sin. Do you know what else the baker won't sell? Halloween cakes. What say you now?