A view on Election

[DallasMan]

That's because my mum was a theologian

Following theology is WHY so many don't understand God's Word.

Theology is nothing more than a bunch of religious carnal minded people publishing writings that oppose God's Word as they are void of understanding having not the Holy Spirit.

This is why the so called theologian embrace catholicism and so called reformed theology both of which are packed full of lies and deceptions because they get their "revelation" from demons instead of the Holy Spirit.

Those siting under the teaching of the theologians who study their writings are deceived

If one does not want to be deceived then they need to stick with THE Teacher the Lord sent Who always leads people in to God's Word and does NOT lead people to read commentaries by the theologians

 

[homwardbound]

Following theology is WHY so many don't understand God's Word.

Theology is nothing more than a bunch of religious carnal minded people publishing writings that oppose God's Word as they are void of understanding having not the Holy Spirit.

This is why the so called theologian embrace catholicism and so called reformed theology both of which are packed full of lies and deceptions because they get their "revelation" from demons instead of the Holy Spirit.

Those siting under the teaching of the theologians who study their writings are deceived

If one does not want to be deceived then they need to stick with THE Teacher the Lord sent Who always leads people in to God's Word and does NOT lead people to read commentaries by the theologians

So, who then are we the people to trust? Only? Are we to trust you and not others?
You have a great talk. Who is your master?
I hope it is God, as God knows who are his and who are not his, that could be theologians that you are judging as not being saved by God
Dallas you are a person are you not? Are you saying you are the way in whatever you say?
I trust not, thank you, love you as am loved by God Father in risen Son first, as all are. I am nobody, anyone else?

 

[DallasMan]

Who is your master?

Jesus Christ.

He sent me THE Teacher (Holy Spirit) to lead me and guide me in to ALL of God's Word which is the only source of Truth and is Truth

that could be theologians that you are judging

No, they teach things that are in opposition to what God teaches in His Word.

That's because they are being led by demons instead of by the Holy Spirit.

Are you saying you are the way in whatever you say?

I'm saying the Lord is the way in all the things HE says

He had His Word put in to print. You should check it out and discard the so called "theologians"

I am nobody

See, now if you understood the new birth and had been purchased with a price by the Lord you wouldn't be saying that.

God does not say in the New Testament that those who have been born again having been washed in the Blood of Jesus are a bunch of nobodys

The devil is deceiving people to to not believing God's Word which causes them to think they are nobody which they are actually as long as they are following doctrines of demons which will cause they Lord to discard them in the end if they don't repent and start believing what God's Word teaches.

 

[Jordon]

Wow, yes, seen it, and have been tried to be put in it, not me, myself. Yet in ignorance, even as Saul was in ignorance and thought he was doing rigteously. I see in that story of Saul.
When Stephan got stoned to death by the Legalists. Saul was there and approved of it
Seeing Stephan accept his death, saying he sees the Light of God, and rejoiced in this.

I put me in this story, as if I am Saul watching this, and seeing Stephan saying he sees God and is safe. My first thought of the flesh I am in is:
What???????????????????? who goes to their death willingly?
then the road to Damascus!
And Saul learned to let go of legalism and just love all in the same mercy of love given him through Son Jesus and Father for him, as his name was changed to Paul by God for him to give us the message of Love and mercy for all, to all. Phil 3, I gave up Law to win Christ!

The tares are not to 'be pulled up yet, God reaching out to all still in mercy, love and truth still, not wanting anyone of us people to persish, that is Love beyond understanding, I see to simply accept it, and any adversities as well. to live above circumstances here on earth first, being thankful in all things, by contentment from God given me
Paul talked about being content, whether rich here or not on earth
The Jail help decided to beleive Paul about God. Seeing Paul not complain about being in Jail. Who does that?
Love overcomes evil always, even whenever seems as not so, since flesh itself argues still 1 Cor 3 about wars and arguments

Well In race how you to stop people winning how they want to win, is equally as important as How you win the race, or in a blunter terms, how you cut people off, from winning, such as closing the door so that they not able to overtake you in a dangerous way, which is done by seeing the line there going to overtake you on, and then you drive on that line, to block there move, but it has to be timed right as to not cause collision. A Good conscious racer will be aware of everything and well it's just poetry in motion when it's like this,

That's what faith is like when it's fully grown by the lord in you, it's poetry in motion.

For instance stephens last words to his executioners who where stoning him, was a prayer For God to forgive there sin, he saw Jesus sat at the right hand side of God during his stoning right before his final words, it the same way the lord expressed his faith on the cross he said forgive them for they know not what they do, probably referring to the crowd believing he wasn't the Messiah,

So Stephen was clearly demonstrating the lords faith in him, which was his choice of words.

But Saul (Paul) was there supporting the executioners, and he would of heard Stephen,

So it's always pointing towards the lords faith being tied in people's hearts, as to how they are able to choose, as Paul would of wondered how could someone pray to God to forgive them when there being stoned.

And then well it becomes a full blown reality when the thought of how, came and smacked him in the face on the way to Damascus.

Bye for now

 

[Jordon]

Following theology is WHY so many don't understand God's Word.

Theology is nothing more than a bunch of religious carnal minded people publishing writings that oppose God's Word as they are void of understanding having not the Holy Spirit.

Jesus Christ.

He sent me THE Teacher (Holy Spirit)

That's because they are being led by demons instead of by the Holy Spirit.




I'm saying the Lord is the way in all the things HE says

He had His Word put in to print. You should check it out and discard the so called "theologians"




See, now if you understood the new birth and had been purchased with a price by the Lord you wouldn't be saying that.



The devil is deceiving people to to not believing God's Word which causes them to think they are nobody which they are actually as long as they are following doctrines of demons which will cause they Lord to discard them in the end if they don't repent and start believing what God's Word teaches.

rant

 

[DallasMan]

rant

rat

 

[homwardbound]

Jesus Christ.

He sent me THE Teacher (Holy Spirit) to lead me and guide me in to ALL of God's Word which is the only source of Truth and is Truth




No, they teach things that are in opposition to what God teaches in His Word.

That's because they are being led by demons instead of by the Holy Spirit.




I'm saying the Lord is the way in all the things HE says

He had His Word put in to print. You should check it out and discard the so called "theologians"




See, now if you understood the new birth and had been purchased with a price by the Lord you wouldn't be saying that.

God does not say in the New Testament that those who have been born again having been washed in the Blood of Jesus are a bunch of nobodys

The devil is deceiving people to to not believing God's Word which causes them to think they are nobody which they are actually as long as they are following doctrines of demons which will cause they Lord to discard them in the end if they don't repent and start believing what God's Word teaches.

Okay, thanks, Jesus the risen one, Father raised from the dead for us people. Has left this, to believe he is risen from the dead as reported from the Disciples and originally written to people then, they had dealings with, has become the Bible messages
Especially Paul, who was Saul.
Paul revealed the truth and got out of traditional serving, to listen to God alone
Is that true? Thank you, you seem to have insight, so thank you in advance
To hear this view from you too. So we can share equally, do you want that?
I am not interested into deceiving anyone over gaining anything.
That is what I mean by saying I am nobody, God is everything. 2 Cor 12:7-10
Are you sure you are not at all being in pride over others, it seems you are, from the reads I read.
God only knows truth is that correct? the God Father of risen Son, those two as Won (One) is that correct?
Thank you in advance

 

[homwardbound]

Well In race how you to stop people winning how they want to win, is equally as important as How you win the race, or in a blunter terms, how you cut people off, from winning, such as closing the door so that they not able to overtake you in a dangerous way, which is done by seeing the line there going to overtake you on, and then you drive on that line, to block there move, but it has to be timed right as to not cause collision. A Good conscious racer will be aware of everything and well it's just poetry in motion when it's like this,

That's what faith is like when it's fully grown by the lord in you, it's poetry in motion.

For instance stephens last words to his executioners who where stoning him, was a prayer For God to forgive there sin, he saw Jesus sat at the right hand side of God during his stoning right before his final words, it the same way the lord expressed his faith on the cross he said forgive them for they know not what they do, probably referring to the crowd believing he wasn't the Messiah,

So Stephen was clearly demonstrating the lords faith in him, which was his choice of words.

But Saul (Paul) was there supporting the executioners, and he would of heard Stephen,

So it's always pointing towards the lords faith being tied in people's hearts, as to how they are able to choose, as Paul would of wondered how could someone pray to God to forgive them when there being stoned.

And then well it becomes a full blown reality when the thought of how, came and smacked him in the face on the way to Damascus.

Bye for now

Well heard insight through you, thank you

 

[Jordon]

Well heard insight through you, thank you

Romans 8:29-30 also speaks about how the lords words works in a person to

 

[Jordon]

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That was my mum you insulted. Your the ranting big mouth who doesn't know the true meaning of theology .

My mum who isn't here no more and who passed away just recently helped more people to grow in faith than you will ever do

 

[Jordon]

So, who then are we the people to trust? Only? Are we to trust you and not others?
You have a great talk. Who is your master?
I hope it is God, as God knows who are his and who are not his, that could be theologians that you are judging as not being saved by God
Dallas you are a person are you not? Are you saying you are the way in whatever you say?
I trust not, thank you, love you as am loved by God Father in risen Son first, as all are. I am nobody, anyone else?

you do right by correcting him but he's a big mouth who won't listen.

 

[homwardbound]

Romans 8:29-30 also speaks about how the lords words works in a person to

I see, take no credit in doing any good. I see I am only God's vessel. Thank you, God loves us all, otherwise Son would not have gone to that cross willingly at all.
He would have fought in that garden, and joined Peter, when Peter cut of the ear of Malchus
Instead, Jesus stopped Peter, Put that sword away. Then restored Malchus's ear, and said take me willingly, no flesh fight as the disciples thought would happen, it did not. the truth fulfilled in the risen Son to believe is risen forever by Father and we are safe with Father and Son as Won (One), even whenever troubles happen

 

[DallasMan]

Are you sure you are not at all being in pride over others, it seems you are

Opinions are like rear ends, every one has one

The thing to do is lay your own opinions aside (as well as the opinions of others) and accept what God says in His Word.

 

[homwardbound]

Opinions are like rear ends, every one has one

The thing to do is lay your own opinions aside (as well as the opinions of others) and accept what God says in His Word.

I was not stating any opinion, I only asked you questions
I hear, God speak and say "I" Love you all otherwise my Son would not have done what tis now done once for us all. Leaving one choice left, to believe Son is risen or not, where the new life for anyone in belief begins Eph 1:13 to see verses 6 and 7
Accepted, forgiven and sealed by God to see into maturity not ever letting go of trust to God to reveal truth needed to be revealed as God decides not me or anyone else thank you

 

[DallasMan]

I was not stating any opinion

You should re-read your own post.

 

[cv5]

I am in a debate on another forum and in this debate on election there kept coming a certain point that just made sense to me.

Election or favoritism from God is clearly seen throughout the bible but I think where the confusion lies is when it comes to salvation, See God is no respecter of persons this is true we can debate night and day on election but that one truth remains the same so in my mind something is missing from the formula

I noticed that with every person he favored or every person he predestined for something it was never about salvation not even once rather it was for a divine purpose and then it hit me that has to be it the purpose not the salvation is the reason and key for election

God is love he just and he knew every single one of us before he even formed us in the womb and scripture does not contradict itself so to me at least seeing all the times he raised some up and brought others down such as Abraham or Pharoh it was always about his will and purpose never once does it say he chooses some for salvation and others not even when Jesus spoke to the pharisee's he spoke to them as if they could or might understand even with Pharoh moses told him let my people go even though God knew he wouldn't he still made moses go through all that trouble and spoke the same line

The issue I see is that when it comes to salvation people tend to look past purpose or will of God and only see salvation while salvation is important the real imprtant thing to me is understanding first the purpose of his favoritism or election if we build out understanding on this first then doesn't the rest just kind of make sense?

"Election or favoritism from God"

No it is not. God shows no partiality or favoritism.

R.B. Thieme Jr., a notable and often polarizing figure in 20th-century independent Bible teaching, held a view of Election that diverged sharply from both traditional Calvinism and Arminianism.

To Thieme, the "erroneous view" was the idea that God chooses specific individuals for salvation while bypassing others. Instead, he taught Election to Privilege, which shifts the focus from who is saved to what the saved person inherits.

1. The Corporate Aspect: Christ as the "Elect One"
Thieme taught that election is primarily Christocentric. In his view, Jesus Christ is the only person strictly "elected" by God for salvation.
The Mechanics: When a person believes in Christ, they are entered "into union with Christ" (Positional Truth).
The Result: Because the believer is in Christ, they share Christ’s status. You aren't elected to become a believer; you are elected to privilege the moment you become a believer.

2. Election vs. Foreknowledge
Thieme made a technical distinction between God's "decrees" and human free will. He argued that while God, in His Omniscience, knew exactly who would believe, He did not coerce that choice.
Election is God’s sovereign plan for the believer after they have exercised their free will to trust in Christ.
It is a "blueprint" of assets and rewards prepared in eternity past for those who would eventually enter the body of Christ.

 

[cv5]

Election, All elected to see. to choose too beleive God in risen Son for them or not, Choice is free! God having no respect of anyone else better than anyone else Luke 18:9-14. No one is better than anyone else, No, not one. And then there are those that claim and wrestle with wanting to be better., what happens from that attitude(s)? God stops the Accusing, abusing and excusing self in Roams 2:1-4, as Paul straightens thorns out, for those that stop at Chapter 1 and begin to be a people better than other people, no one is! Ever
Election is to choose God, God calls us all to choose life or death, Been going. on since Adam the first. God had mercy from day 1, y'all
Has let everything play out good or bad. For me and everyone else too. I see to learn from mistakes (Sin, by Son presently taken out of the way) after all sin taken away by Son for the entire world first. John 1:29. 19:30
To go to God in Spirit and Truth (John 4:23-24) and be accountable to God as David was , when he saw, he not only did wrong with Bathsheba and her husband, More importantly, he saw this wrong was to God above it all, even said, when he admitted his wrong. Said that to God, I not only harmed others, I harmed you God (1 Cor 13:4-7)
Are we saying Lord please forgive me and not listening to God to learn from our mistakes and how ultimately this hurts God to do anyone else wrong ever!, Since God loves us all equally, proven in Son as resurrected from the dead in our deserved places to be dead?
Thanks Blain for the post

Revelation 3:10 is a powerhouse of biblical logic that perfectly illustrates why the "no respecter of persons" character of God relies on human response.

"Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world..."

The "Because" Breakdown

In the Greek text, the verse starts with the word hoti ("Because"). This is a causal clause. Look at how it functions:

The Human Action (The Cause): "You have kept (observed/guarded) My command to persevere." * This wasn't a passive "effectual call" where they had no choice. The believers in Philadelphia made a volitional, gritty decision to stay faithful under pressure.

The Divine Response (The Effect): "I also will keep you..."

This is the "Election to Privilege" in action. God’s protection during the "hour of trial" isn't a random act of favoritism; it is a specific reward because of their previous faithfulness.

Why this shatters "Artificial Constraints"
If you apply a rigid TULIP lens here, the verse loses its teeth. If God made them persevere through an irresistible force, then Him rewarding them for it is like a programmer rewarding a computer for running the code he wrote.

But as you pointed out with the "Anybody" view:
God is impartial: He offered the same strength to all.
The Philadelphians utilized it: They "kept the word."

The Reward is Equitable: God responds to their choice with a "Super-Grace" blessing (protection from the Tribulation/trial).

The "Hour of Trial" as a Test of Volition
Thieme often used this verse to explain Logistical Grace. He argued that God provides the "assets" (Bible Doctrine), but the believer must "keep" them.

If you keep the doctrine in your soul, God keeps you from the crisis.
It’s a perfect "if-then" relationship.

Respecter of Persons? No. Respecter of Protocol? Yes.

This verse proves that God doesn't favor the Philadelphians because they were "special" or "hand-picked" in a way that others weren't. He favored them because they followed the protocol of faith.

Anyone else—a "Rahab," a "Jailer," or a "Zacchaeus"—who kept that same command would have received the same promise.

That is the definition of Impartiality: The same rules apply to everyone, and the same rewards are available to anyone who meets the condition.

 

[homwardbound]

"Election or favoritism from God"

No it is not. God shows no partiality or favoritism.

R.B. Thieme Jr., a notable and often polarizing figure in 20th-century independent Bible teaching, held a view of Election that diverged sharply from both traditional Calvinism and Arminianism.

To Thieme, the "erroneous view" was the idea that God chooses specific individuals for salvation while bypassing others. Instead, he taught Election to Privilege, which shifts the focus from who is saved to what the saved person inherits.

1. The Corporate Aspect: Christ as the "Elect One"
Thieme taught that election is primarily Christocentric. In his view, Jesus Christ is the only person strictly "elected" by God for salvation.
The Mechanics: When a person believes in Christ, they are entered "into union with Christ" (Positional Truth).
The Result: Because the believer is in Christ, they share Christ’s status. You aren't elected to become a believer; you are elected to privilege the moment you become a believer.

2. Election vs. Foreknowledge
Thieme made a technical distinction between God's "decrees" and human free will. He argued that while God, in His Omniscience, knew exactly who would believe, He did not coerce that choice.
Election is God’s sovereign plan for the believer after they have exercised their free will to trust in Christ.
It is a "blueprint" of assets and rewards prepared in eternity past for those who would eventually enter the body of Christ.

Thank you, for this information, I see as truth from God through you and the person you wrote of. God loves us all y'all, otherwise Son would not have gone to that cross willingly at all

 

[homwardbound]

Revelation 3:10 is a powerhouse of biblical logic that perfectly illustrates why the "no respecter of persons" character of God relies on human response.

"Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world..."

The "Because" Breakdown

In the Greek text, the verse starts with the word hoti ("Because"). This is a causal clause. Look at how it functions:

The Human Action (The Cause): "You have kept (observed/guarded) My command to persevere." * This wasn't a passive "effectual call" where they had no choice. The believers in Philadelphia made a volitional, gritty decision to stay faithful under pressure.

The Divine Response (The Effect): "I also will keep you..."

This is the "Election to Privilege" in action. God’s protection during the "hour of trial" isn't a random act of favoritism; it is a specific reward because of their previous faithfulness.

Why this shatters "Artificial Constraints"
If you apply a rigid TULIP lens here, the verse loses its teeth. If God made them persevere through an irresistible force, then Him rewarding them for it is like a programmer rewarding a computer for running the code he wrote.

But as you pointed out with the "Anybody" view:
God is impartial: He offered the same strength to all.
The Philadelphians utilized it: They "kept the word."

The Reward is Equitable: God responds to their choice with a "Super-Grace" blessing (protection from the Tribulation/trial).

The "Hour of Trial" as a Test of Volition
Thieme often used this verse to explain Logistical Grace. He argued that God provides the "assets" (Bible Doctrine), but the believer must "keep" them.

If you keep the doctrine in your soul, God keeps you from the crisis.
It’s a perfect "if-then" relationship.

Respecter of Persons? No. Respecter of Protocol? Yes.

This verse proves that God doesn't favor the Philadelphians because they were "special" or "hand-picked" in a way that others weren't. He favored them because they followed the protocol of faith.

Anyone else—a "Rahab," a "Jailer," or a "Zacchaeus"—who kept that same command would have received the same promise.

That is the definition of Impartiality: The same rules apply to everyone, and the same rewards are available to anyone who meets the condition.

By Faith given me to see clearly, I have no more choice since I made my choice to stand in belief to God and do good. By God accordingly as Son did first for us all to respond to and be new in love and mercy over sacrifice and failures
Thank you for your posts in truth, appreciate growing in grace given me too

 

[manzar]

Your reflection really hits deep truths about choice and grace. Hebrews 10:10 reminds us that Jesus’ sacrifice was once for all, giving each of us the freedom to choose life in Him. Every day under grace is a chance to renew that choice, and as you said, even if we stumble, God patiently teaches us personally (Philippians 1:6, 1 John 2:27).

It’s sobering that some follow their own desires or human influence instead of God, and as you pointed out, that path leads to death—Philippians 3 warns about clinging to self rather than surrendering fully to Christ. Yet, the beauty is in God’s love for those who persevere, growing in understanding and love like 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 describes. True faith transforms motives from selfish gain to love and obedience for God’s glory.

Thankfulness is key here. Recognizing that God gives new life freely in the risen Son (John 1:29, John 19:30) lets us live differently—not for immediate rewards, but for eternal purpose. Those who misuse grace limit themselves; those who surrender fully experience it fully. Giving up self, as Philippians 3 teaches, is hard but liberating—letting God lead instead of self.

Ultimately, it’s about daily choices: following flesh or following Christ, selfish gain or divine love. Grace invites us to choose rightly, knowing God equips us each step of the way