A view on Election

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Jordon said:
his will is inherent to everyone from the beginning well said to blain, makes a whole lot of sense 🙂
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Jesus was sent only to the Jews.

Jesus was not sent to the Gentiles.

The Jews were chosen and the Gentiles were not chosen.

There were two distinctive groups identified by Paul throughout the letter to the Romans.

What was inherent from the beginning was man's rebellion against God.
 
memberofthebride said:
this is not showing All are given eternal life, or all are saved, like Christ stated in a few places -- it is the few that find Life.
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You misunderstand.

Nobody is saying all will be saved.

We are saying God wants all to be saved and have provided a way for all to be saved.

Big difference between the two so try to pay attention.
 
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Inquisitor said:
Jesus was sent only to the Jews.

Jesus was not sent to the Gentiles.

The Jews were chosen and the Gentiles were not chosen.

There were two distinctive groups identified by Paul throughout the letter to the Romans.

What was inherent from the beginning was man's rebellion against God.
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theres more one than one inherent will in place

The first inherent will in a person is the devine nature of the father then the son

And the devine nature of the father works in many ways in a Person, first way is everyone is made aware of Him, second everyone has his moral law prick there conscience and well the rest I'll let you use your imagination 🙂
 
Jordon said:
love to you to, but I do believe you feal as if people are threatening your faith and also me , as to why I even started speaking to you again, that was never my intention to threaten your faith, and neither was my intension to be at odd ends with you.

You can only choose Gods will if he's actually in a persons heart willing them

Philippians 2:13
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Nor me, trusting we can share and hear one another in out walks to help one another see deeper into this amazing grace given us all, Thank you to Father and Son 1 John 2:1-27
 
homwardbound said:
Nor me, trusting we can share and hear one another in out walks to help one another see deeper into this amazing grace given us all, Thank you to Father and Son 1 John 2:1-27
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well we can but only if you don't let the cuckoos in they have a habit of steeling
 
Jordon said:
then all this means God the father elected you to the son for adoption, being elect isn't just a meaning that somebody is higher than you, it means the fathers devine nature has worked in you, then he saw you should be elected to walk with his son for evermore,

In the thought of elected here, it means you have been elected to be a citizen of heaven.
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As all others as well 1 John 2:1-27 It is finished to receive this truth John 19:30. Received, relieved, given form Father in the risen life of Son for us all to stand in belief to this, to learn from all mistakes we each make. I am no better than anyone else ever
At least from my walk here on earth in the reconciliation given to me, even though I sinned over and over again and again and still can, (Yet do not want to) being in an unredeemed body of flesh. Seeing never forsaken by God, yet by myself and others as well, God has never forsaken me, or anyone else? Even though it can seem as has. I stand in Faith to God's love and mercy for all.
That is what began changes in me to see deeper into this Love and mercy of Son forgiven us all to beleive or not. Then do love too to all too in response, learning to not create anything anymore and just respond to this love and mercy of Son for us all Thank you
 
homwardbound said:
As all others as well 1 John 2:1-27 It is finished to receive this truth John 19:30. Received, relieved, given form Father in the risen life of Son for us all to stand in belief to this, to learn from all mistakes we each make. I am no better than anyone else ever
At least from my walk here on earth in the reconciliation given to me, even though I sinned over and over again and again and still can, (Yet do not want to) being in an unredeemed body of flesh. Seeing never forsaken by God, yet by myself and others as well, God has never forsaken me, or anyone else? Even though it can seem as has. I stand in Faith to God's love and mercy for all.
That is what began changes in me to see deeper into this Love and mercy of Son forgiven us all to beleive or not. Then do love too to all too in response, learning to not create anything anymore and just respond to this love and mercy of Son for us all Thank you
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Well I would say when Light is shining example its simply the best, I believe in the power God has to make me feel blessed, to make me content, to make me overcome, and to make me creative, I also believe he can make me into a better racer, if only I could get my racing licence back, which may happen soon, fingers crossed, but I believe people are definitely in better position inwardly when there with God, as it's God who works in you to make you a better person and to be of sound mind, plus he's a confidence builder. All helps when your changing 1/10 of a second on the race track 🙂, and because of fear you bottle it, but God removes the fear, so it's all good.
 
Jordon said:
theres more one than one inherent will in place

The first inherent will in a person is the devine nature of the father then the son

And the devine nature of the father works in many ways in a Person, first way is everyone is made aware of Him, second everyone has his moral law prick there conscience and well the rest I'll let you use your imagination 🙂
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You sound like a theologian discussing a theological narrative.

"And the devine nature of the father works in many ways in a Person"

The Holy Spirit influences everyone to some degree would more closely echo the N.T.

I do not believe that you understand the letters in the N.T.
 
Jordon said:
well we can but only if you don't let the cuckoos in they have a habit of steeling
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How to know, even think might know.
Be wise as a serpent and remain harmless as a dove
How Lord, trust me Father replies.Yes okay, but I am angry!

Okay, let's deal with this. I hate. So do I. How to let go and see to remain harmless

Didn't't you sow wheat Lord. We see tares amongst the wheat Lord, Can we go and pluck out the tares?
You, can, yet it might harm the wheat you think? I see says me, so I lry go.
Yes Lord, not understanding, but seeing it can and probably will, since you know best. I shall rest in trust to you, you knowing all things. I see Jeremiah 29:11 you not only want what is best for me, yet for all as well, equally, thank you
But Lord it is not that way today. God, not yet, but it will be, for it is my Love and mercy to all that overcame and overcomes evil
No evil will ever conquer evil
John 16:33 thank you Lord
 
Jordon said:
Well I would say when Light is shining example its simply the best, I believe in the power God has to make me feel blessed, to make me content, to make me overcome, and to make me creative, I also believe he can make me into a better racer, if only I could get my racing licence back, which may happen soon, fingers crossed, but I believe people are definitely in better position inwardly when there with God, as it's God who works in you to make you a better person and to be of sound mind, plus he's a confidence builder. All helps when your changing 1/10 of a second on the race track 🙂, and because of fear you bottle it, but God removes the fear, so it's all good.
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Growing in Grace from God teaches new everyday, I do hope you get back into the racing track, and then be and remain on track
Go, and be new everyday as you wait in growing patience along the way
 
homwardbound said:
Growing in Grace from God teaches new everyday, I do hope you get back into the racing track, and then be and remain on track
Go, and be new everyday as you wait in growing patience along the way
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awe Thanks, theres many tracks in which a race can go, some times all the other racers behave themselves and are very graceful, but other times they can cut corners lol, and others times they bump you off the track and stop you winning the prize as they cant settle for being second when there behind a champion, so you have to put your foot down lol,
 
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homwardbound said:
How to know, even think might know.
Be wise as a serpent and remain harmless as a dove
How Lord, trust me Father replies.Yes okay, but I am angry!

Okay, let's deal with this. I hate. So do I. How to let go and see to remain harmless

Didn't't you sow wheat Lord. We see tares amongst the wheat Lord, Can we go and pluck out the tares?
You, can, yet it might harm the wheat you think? I see says me, so I lry go.
Yes Lord, not understanding, but seeing it can and probably will, since you know best. I shall rest in trust to you, you knowing all things. I see Jeremiah 29:11 you not only want what is best for me, yet for all as well, equally, thank you
But Lord it is not that way today. God, not yet, but it will be, for it is my Love and mercy to all that overcame and overcomes evil
No evil will ever conquer evil
John 16:33 thank you Lord
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lol I hear you, some weeds are dandy lions, and even when you pluck them out they come back with a vengeance because whilst there keeper was away they scattered there seed everywhere, so you have to be nice to them until the end of the harvest , but it pours burning coals on there head and they grow out of control 😋, so in the end your surrounded by dandy lions , all claiming your ground without permission, you end up having to eject the lot of them out of the whole field by harvesting the whole field, and start all over again,

But with the dandy lions there no good for food, so you chuck them away with the garbage, ensuring that not one remnant of there seed remains, so that there is only good food to have 🤩
 
Inquisitor said:
You sound like a theologian discussing a theological narrative.

"And the devine nature of the father works in many ways in a Person"

The Holy Spirit influences everyone to some degree would more closely echo the N.T.

I do not believe that you understand the letters in the N.T.
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That's because my mum was a theologian 🤩
 
Jordon said:
awe Thanks, theres many tracks in which a race can go, some times all the other racers behave themselves and are very graceful, but other times they can cut corners lol, and others times they bump you off the track and stop you winning the prize as they cant settle for being second when there behind a champion, so you have to put your foot down lol,
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Yes this life here is a race and as said only one gets the prize. Which has brought in competition with wars, seditions and much cheating
I love God to call me to rest in the mess. I do not or have not always rested with this unredeemed body I am in. Yet redeemed in God's Spirit and Truth, anyways.
Wow, thank you Father, even though I mess up, you continue to love me to teach me to see what and were I went wrong. I see to not be following after the crowd that steals, cheats and destroys others to be first along the way. You eat, I will wait, thank you
 
Jordon said:
lol I hear you, some weeds are dandy lions, and even when you pluck them out they come back with a vengeance because whilst there keeper was away they scattered there seed everywhere, so you have to be nice to them until the end of the harvest , but it pours burning coals on there head and they grow out of control 😋, so in the end your surrounded by dandy lions , all claiming your ground without permission, you end up having to eject the lot of them out of the whole field by harvesting the whole field, and start all over again,

But with the dandy lions there no good for food, so you chuck them away with the garbage, ensuring that not one remnant of there seed remains, so that there is only good food to have 🤩
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God alone fro me at least separates the wheat from the chaff. Therefore, I see while in the midst, I can trust God even if the troubles still go on. And oh boy, to this day have they
I now see and not always see this Hebrews 4:9-13 I choose to learn how to stand in Faith to the living God thank you
 
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homwardbound said:
Yes this life here is a race and as said only one gets the prize. Which has brought in competition with wars, seditions and much cheating
I love God to call me to rest in the mess. I do not or have not always rested with this unredeemed body I am in. Yet redeemed in God's Spirit and Truth, anyways.
Wow, thank you Father, even though I mess up, you continue to love me to teach me to see what and were I went wrong. I see to not be following after the crowd that steals, cheats and destroys others to be first along the way. You eat, I will wait, thank you
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this is why ejection is as important as election,

Simply put penalties have to be served in order to correct, this is why we have good stewards in a race, who will decide how the race will continue, whether they should serve a yellow flag or a red flag, but it's how you compete in the race, some people are so bad that when i Was a kid competing in cart racing, there was one kid who whacked people of the track all the time trying to win a race, later on in life he hated life so bad and not winning and being banned he went berserk, and ploughed into many people on a 15 mile death spree even hitting a woman and a pram.
 
homwardbound said:
God alone fro me at least separates the wheat from the chaff. Therefore, I see while in the midst, I can trust God even if the troubles still go on. And oh boy, to this day have they
I now see and not always see this Hebrews 4:9-13 I choose to learn how to stand in Faith to the living God thank you
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That's God working in you
 
Jordon said:
this is why ejection is as important as election,

Simply put penalties have to be served in order to correct, this is why we have good stewards in a race, who will decide how the race will continue, whether they should serve a yellow flag or a red flag, but it's how you compete in the race, some people are so bad that when i Was a kid competing in cart racing, there was one kid who whacked people of the track all the time trying to win a race, later on in life he hated life so bad and not winning and being banned he went berserk, and ploughed into many people on a 15 mile death spree even hitting a woman and a pram.
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Wow, yes, seen it, and have been tried to be put in it, not me, myself. Yet in ignorance, even as Saul was in ignorance and thought he was doing rigteously. I see in that story of Saul.
When Stephan got stoned to death by the Legalists. Saul was there and approved of it
Seeing Stephan accept his death, saying he sees the Light of God, and rejoiced in this.

I put me in this story, as if I am Saul watching this, and seeing Stephan saying he sees God and is safe. My first thought of the flesh I am in is:
What???????????????????? who goes to their death willingly?
then the road to Damascus!
And Saul learned to let go of legalism and just love all in the same mercy of love given him through Son Jesus and Father for him, as his name was changed to Paul by God for him to give us the message of Love and mercy for all, to all. Phil 3, I gave up Law to win Christ!

The tares are not to 'be pulled up yet, God reaching out to all still in mercy, love and truth still, not wanting anyone of us people to persish, that is Love beyond understanding, I see to simply accept it, and any adversities as well. to live above circumstances here on earth first, being thankful in all things, by contentment from God given me
Paul talked about being content, whether rich here or not on earth
The Jail help decided to beleive Paul about God. Seeing Paul not complain about being in Jail. Who does that?
Love overcomes evil always, even whenever seems as not so, since flesh itself argues still 1 Cor 3 about wars and arguments
 
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