A Study of Torah from Gen. - Rev.
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when the apostles quote a passage from the ot where yhwh is used,
they always write
ho kurios
usually translated
as 'the Lord'
but could easily be done as 'the master'
like here
ROMANS 14:11 For it is written, “‘As I live,’
says the Lord,
‘to me every knee will bow. Every tongue will confess to God.’”
Si if you were reading Say Hebrews, a book written in Hebrew, you would find Adoni ElHim, or Elohem. Though the same can be said of it's translation, whit a full understanding of Hebrew, and their ways, one can find a fuller meaning to the words. Depending on the context of its use.
Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward.”
What we find in the opening of chapter 15 is that HaShem is Letting Abram know that He is the reason for Abram's new found life. That for all the faith Abram has shown, HaShem, is his reward. Does this mean that Having HaShem watch over Abram is all he will ever see? No, not at all. It tells us that Abram has by his faith, gained the reward of life.
Gen 15:2 But Abram said, “Lord GOD, what will You give me, seeing I go childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?”
Abram, here shows we shouldn't fear HaShem, in any way that may impend our willingness to talk to Him as we would a friend. If we feel that HaShem has not answered a prayer, or stud by His word, as Abram seems to think here, we should ask Him about it. After all, He won't get mad and strike us with lightning. If we turn to HIm, and His word, with any question He will lead us to the answer.
Gen 15:3 Then Abram said, “Look, You have given me no offspring; indeed one born in my house is my heir!”
Gen 15:4 And behold, the word of the LORD came to him, saying, “This one shall not be your heir, but one who will come from your own body shall be your heir.”
Just as HaShem answered Abram, He will answer us. The key to finding that answer, is simply to seek it in His word. Not giving into the teachings of man, rather to study His word for what it tells us. When I say the teachings of man, I do include myself in that. After all I am human, and I do make mistakes just like anyone that is honest enough to admit it.
Gen 15:5 Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”
Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.
Gen 15:7 Then He said to him, “I am the LORD, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it.”
Gen 15:8 And he said, “Lord GOD, how shall I know that I will inherit it?”
Once more Abram is asking, for an answer to something he doesn't fully understand. Giving to us an example of what we should do. His answer comes in the form a covenant. Not just any, rather a blood covenant.
Gen 15:9 So He said to him, “Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.”
Gen 15:10 Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two.
This is how a blood covenant was done. Though this is just one part, I will explain them as they are told to us in this chapter.
Gen 15:13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years.
Gen 15:14 “And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions.
Gen 15:15 “Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age.
Gen 15:16 “But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
Here we see the second part of the forming of a blood covenant. Both parties name their end of the deal. As only HaShem has said what His end of the covenant would be, one can conclude that this was not a covenant of 2 parties. As Abram was asked to uphold any part of this covenant.
Gen 15:17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces.
The 1/2's are placed side by side, with a path big enough to walk through, After giving, or naming their part in said covenant, both parties walk between the 1/2's. The blood that is their, stands as witness to their vows. The blood also binds them, forever. In other words, if 2 people form a blood covenant, they both pass on, that covenant is passed down to their kids, and grand-kids, forever. A blood covenant, shouldn't be broken. Barking one, is unheard of, and noone really knows what come of doing so.
Gen 15:18 On the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying: “To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates—
Gen 15:19 “the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites,
Gen 15:20 “the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim,
Gen 15:21 “the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”
Once more, the parties to uphold the covenant, repeat their vow. The naming of nations here, is thought to be giving a fuller understand of just HaShem has vowed to give.
I will take this same teaching into the book of John tomorrow. In so doing I hope to show just what the gift was that given to us with the death and resurrection of Yeshua.
What we find in the opening of chapter 15 is that HaShem is Letting Abram know that He is the reason for Abram's new found life. That for all the faith Abram has shown, HaShem, is his reward. Does this mean that Having HaShem watch over Abram is all he will ever see? No, not at all. It tells us that Abram has by his faith, gained the reward of life.
Gen 15:2 But Abram said, “Lord GOD, what will You give me, seeing I go childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?”
Abram, here shows we shouldn't fear HaShem, in any way that may impend our willingness to talk to Him as we would a friend. If we feel that HaShem has not answered a prayer, or stud by His word, as Abram seems to think here, we should ask Him about it. After all, He won't get mad and strike us with lightning. If we turn to HIm, and His word, with any question He will lead us to the answer.
Gen 15:3 Then Abram said, “Look, You have given me no offspring; indeed one born in my house is my heir!”
Gen 15:4 And behold, the word of the LORD came to him, saying, “This one shall not be your heir, but one who will come from your own body shall be your heir.”
Just as HaShem answered Abram, He will answer us. The key to finding that answer, is simply to seek it in His word. Not giving into the teachings of man, rather to study His word for what it tells us. When I say the teachings of man, I do include myself in that. After all I am human, and I do make mistakes just like anyone that is honest enough to admit it.
Gen 15:5 Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”
Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.
Gen 15:7 Then He said to him, “I am the LORD, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it.”
Gen 15:8 And he said, “Lord GOD, how shall I know that I will inherit it?”
Once more Abram is asking, for an answer to something he doesn't fully understand. Giving to us an example of what we should do. His answer comes in the form a covenant. Not just any, rather a blood covenant.
Gen 15:9 So He said to him, “Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.”
Gen 15:10 Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two.
This is how a blood covenant was done. Though this is just one part, I will explain them as they are told to us in this chapter.
Gen 15:13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years.
Gen 15:14 “And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions.
Gen 15:15 “Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age.
Gen 15:16 “But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
Here we see the second part of the forming of a blood covenant. Both parties name their end of the deal. As only HaShem has said what His end of the covenant would be, one can conclude that this was not a covenant of 2 parties. As Abram was asked to uphold any part of this covenant.
Gen 15:17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces.
The 1/2's are placed side by side, with a path big enough to walk through, After giving, or naming their part in said covenant, both parties walk between the 1/2's. The blood that is their, stands as witness to their vows. The blood also binds them, forever. In other words, if 2 people form a blood covenant, they both pass on, that covenant is passed down to their kids, and grand-kids, forever. A blood covenant, shouldn't be broken. Barking one, is unheard of, and noone really knows what come of doing so.
Gen 15:18 On the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying: “To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates—
Gen 15:19 “the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites,
Gen 15:20 “the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim,
Gen 15:21 “the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”
Once more, the parties to uphold the covenant, repeat their vow. The naming of nations here, is thought to be giving a fuller understand of just HaShem has vowed to give.
I will take this same teaching into the book of John tomorrow. In so doing I hope to show just what the gift was that given to us with the death and resurrection of Yeshua.
Love this thread i will be following looking to learn some new things, thanks for taking the time to share Gods Law, God bless you.
i think what you are saying there, highlights the difference in languages. " Ho kurios" mistly is translated " Lord" or master" which really share the same definition, a Lord is the Master of the One calling Him Lord. also sometimes it is translated " God" in septuigent though much fewer times than Lord, or master.
if you really consider the three terms, a God is the One who is the Lord or master of the One referring to them as God. so this is Just my own belief, whether we translate any of the three, we are saying " the Ultimate authority over me" when we say " My Lord" or " My God" or " My master" it carries the same meaning for us either way, the authority under which we place ourselves.
Notice" pateras" also can be "Lord" or "Father" in conjunction with the aramaic word " Abba" in a biblical sense, "Father" is the same principle, the authority over the child the One He obeys and Honors, His Lord, or master. because we Know that children are commanded to Obey thier parents both old and new testaments.
the differences in languages seem to throw alot of folks off, when really the meanings are the same. in english a person says " Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" the meaning makes perfect sense to an engish speaking person, but to a greek it would make no sense to see the english words, Nor as " eulogetos theos patēr kuriou iēsou christou" ( which transliterated would say that, ) would mean anyth9ing to an english speaking person.
My point i suppose is Languages say the same things differently, we use different phrases to make the same meaning, but the message of the whole of whats Being said is what we are after. after study of Hebrew and Greek rigorously university and all.....I have found at least for myself, that the Kjv has it correct ( or as close to perfect as can be) because word for word doesnt translate properly if we dont take into account the differences in language and How one culture would say the exact same thing, possibly a different way. after a journey of translation wondering and worrying the Kjv really expresses the message that is Found in the Hebrew and Greek and even aramaic manuscripts.
for my dime anyways. i think sometimes we split hairs that really were never meant to be split because God is able to Get His word to all peoples of all languages.
check out tha macabbean books matt particularly what they have to say about " antiochus epiphanes" and into what his name means and why he added "epiphanes" what He did in Gods temple concerning the altar. the books are a jewish History of the 400 years between malachi and matthew. and check into the date may 14th 1948 regarding israels reinstatement as a nation its own, and the return of the jews throughout the world.
Pardon my nitpicking and hairsplitting here. Of course I know what you are saying. I believe I do anyways. This is a study from Genesis through Revelation inclusive.
If my appraisal is correct, Torah is the five Books of Moses, so the most correct would be a study of Tanakh through Revelation.
I view the Tanakh today as Genesis through Revelation incl.
I am such a disgrace on these topics.
If my appraisal is correct, Torah is the five Books of Moses, so the most correct would be a study of Tanakh through Revelation.
I view the Tanakh today as Genesis through Revelation incl.
I am such a disgrace on these topics.
do you mean the book of Hebrews?
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of scholars say it was written in Greek, too.
weird, huh?
even weirder, the author quotes mostly from the greek translation of the ot.
we can talk about that more, if you want.
some quotes you might enjoy.
'Thirty-five quotations from a Greek translation [lxx] of the Old Testament and thirty-four allusions work to support the development of Hebrews’ argument.'
https://bible.org/seriespage/1-why-study-hebrews
'Many people assume that the New Testament was written in Hebrew as well, but by the time the gospels were being written, many Jews didn’t even speak Hebrew anymore. Rome had conquered Greece, and the influence of Greek culture had saturated the empire.'
https://www.biblegateway.com/blog/2012/06/what-was-the-original-language-of-the-bible/
I don't know what you mean in this section.
could you rephrase it, plzzzzzz?
lots of good points, there.
would you agree that the apostles didn't ever write a personal name for God
like yhwh is done in the ot?
nor did they ever write
HaShem,
but rather always a title?
Honestly friend, I myself Believe that God the Father Gave Us 1 name in which to recognize Him. YHWH is the tetragrammaton 4 consanants from the Hebrew Language. and is an unpronouncable word. When Mosrs asks Gods Name he replies " Moses...I am that I am" tell them I Am sent you. I believe personally that a name could never fully express Gods identity, But the name Jesus or " Yeshua" is the name Given to the One and only Son of God, His expression of who He is is Jesus the messiah called Christ. i dont think that God the Father Has an actual Name that can be pronounced by a tongue of man and thats why the hebrews did Not speak His name. I truly Believe Gods will to be recognized By Us is Our Heavenly Father. or Father of spirits.
God may indeed Have His Own personal Name, i do not believe it Has ever been expressed or can be expressed in Human language. the name that matters to the ends of creation to all mankind However is yeshua <<< name Messiah title wich includes all of His many " subtitles" , or in english Jesus <<< name ,the Christ title wich includes all of His subtitles such as the Word of God, the Son of God, the One God sent, the Bread of Life, the Living water, the good shepherd ect ect. i believe Jesus having so many different titles is an expression to us that God the Father simply IS, was, and Will be.
yes the new testament was never actually written in Hebrew and they never Gave God the Father a name personally to identify Him, but the aramaic Word " abba" which has its variances is both Hebrew and Greek. I truly Believe that God wants us to call Him Our Heavenly Father because in that title or " name" we gather the understanding that from the Beginning He has desired us to Know His Love and realize that We were created to be His Children made in His image of righteousness, Holiness and truth. Im not sure God actually Has a neam apart from the One name He has Given to Jesus Christ, yeshua Messiah His Only begotten Son, who is the visable expression of His Being being infact His Only Begotten Son nd the One name under Heaven By which all men Must Be saved. the name above ALL names is Jesus, Yeshua, ( malakh Adonai)
God is called "Abba " in aramaic, Not only is the word translated Father, but it is an endearing, personal, Loving term for Father spoken by the Beloved child. such as "Daddy" or Papa" would be said in English. the same with the greek term " Patera" also means more than Father, but more towards " daddy" or " papa" said By adearly beloved child to thier Lovoing and Honored Father. I Believe that God wants us to recognoze Who He is, rather than what His personal Name may be. and we realize who He is, How He cares so deeply for us though Yeshuas ministry, and actions in the Gospel. we may One day be able to speak Gods Name, until then We Have the name He has Given us to Honor with all our Lives and Hearts and Souls and strength an english speaker will say " Jesus" a Hebrew will say "Yeshua" a polish speaker will say " Jezus" where as my swahili speaking friends in africa will mostly say "Yesu"
There are many out there that say the book of Hebrews was written in Greek yes. Yet one must question this when they think about the Rabbinic laws. You see, not only were they not to eat with a gentile, they were also not to speak top them. Exceptions were made for any that worked in trade, as they need to know what they were ordering, or trading for.
May Jewish people of that time, didn't speak greek, and one quite goes, " I would rather feed my children pork than have them speak greek."
One thing that a lot of teachers, and scholars, of today make the mistake of doing, is following the idea that the Bible needs to be contextualized so that the Jewish people will understand it. It seems that every one has forgotten that the Bible is a Hebrew book. Written by Hebrew speaking peoples, that live a Hebrew life, and understood the unspoken topics. If as an American, I tell some one I can't wait for Turkey day, they know I am speaking of Thanksgiving. Or if I ask out fireworks, their minds go to the 4th of July. Just as if one was to say to the Hebrew people, of that time, we can't go to their house. It would be understood that that house belongs to a gentile, without ever saying it out right.
The truth is that Paul had to recontextualize the Scripture for us. This is one reason his writings are so hard to understand.
One other thing is, Luke was writing to Thepohilius, and at one point in time Luke was commissioned to translate the OT into greek. The oldest text known, of the OT was written in Hebrew, with a little Aramaic mixed in. It was not until it was translated into Greek by Luke, (at lest as many teach) did any form of it other than Hebrew exist.
In Hebrew their are 72 names for HaShem. The phrase HaShem is used to keep from placing the wrong name in the wrong context. The better one understands the Hebrew language and life, the better they are at understanding the context of the phrase.
One should also understand that the use of the word, YHVH feel into disuse when Judah was taken into Babylon. The word had became a means for the Babylonins to make fun of the Jewish people. They did this by twisting the word, and the Jewish people understood this, as taking HaShems name in vain. The phrase HaShem though it had been around for many thousands of years, was repurposed. in an attempt to stop the sin of the gentiles.
Roll ahead a bit, With the return to Israel, not many could say the word in the proper manner, so it became a crime for any one other than the High Priest to use the name, and only then once a year on Yam-kipper. So you are right they did not use it, as to do so, could bring a death penalty.
Now if one understood, the Jewish mind set, and their way of life, the use of a title like Elohim, Elohem, or Elshidie, (I hope I spelled them all right) or any of the other 72 names would have been used, and in fact in Pauls case, commonplace. The Jewish people would have understood this, and if the wrong title was used, by the context of the use they would know what one should have been used.
For time I am not going to post passages. This is a story we all know well, so the use of it is not really necessary. As we know a blood covenant required blood be spelt, the blood made any covenant permanent, or everlasting, or however you wish to phrase it. Though this was not true of a sacrifice, as it could only cover ones sin.
Yeshua, spoke His end of the covenant many times, and in many places. He also told us what our end of His covenant would be. His end was that He would wash away our sin, with His own blood, and heal us by His stripes. Our end was to walk in faith, and to uphold His commandments.
Though his body was not cut in 1/2, His blood was shed, fulfilling the need for blood, for the covenant to be true. I know this is rather short, yet I am pressed for time. I am going to do a much more comprehensive post tomorrow. Though I need to at lest post something today as I said I would. I am sorry about that, I had forgotten that I wouldn't be here tonight, and most of tomorrow I will be gone as well. Having your Doc, some 65 miles away stinks, even more so when you can't sit more than an 30-45 minutes at a time.
Yeshua, spoke His end of the covenant many times, and in many places. He also told us what our end of His covenant would be. His end was that He would wash away our sin, with His own blood, and heal us by His stripes. Our end was to walk in faith, and to uphold His commandments.
Though his body was not cut in 1/2, His blood was shed, fulfilling the need for blood, for the covenant to be true. I know this is rather short, yet I am pressed for time. I am going to do a much more comprehensive post tomorrow. Though I need to at lest post something today as I said I would. I am sorry about that, I had forgotten that I wouldn't be here tonight, and most of tomorrow I will be gone as well. Having your Doc, some 65 miles away stinks, even more so when you can't sit more than an 30-45 minutes at a time.
I think one of the main things paul was telling us is that Gentile and Jew alike are no different from the moment Jesus died and rose again. That where the gentiles were once excluded on the basis of relation to abram, as were the lame and blind, eunuch or people with physical flaws were restricted from full participation. in Christ we see rather than keeping flaws away from God, He reaches out through Yeshua to touch them and Heal them making them Whole to inculde all peoples in Gods People.
Much of the torah is pointing to Yeshua and His eternal Kingdom. the atonement money that numbered people among Gods elect in those days, poinmts to the price Jesus yeashua paid. most if not all of the levitical preisthood also points to the priesthood of yeshua in the order of melchezidek. if you study aarons linens, the gold plate He wore saying " Holy unto the Lord" and things Like that and then study revelation and the heavenly order of things ( also along with Hebrews) a real solid connection is made in regards to " Christ fulfilling the Law" if you look at the scapegoat and atonement sacrifice you also then see the connection between Jesus Lamb of God, in revelation and the gospels along again with Hebrews. there is so much understanding in the old as a foreshadowing , and so Much in the New that Helps to grasp what the Old was teaching.truly they are to be united and put together and through Jesus things come to a perfect order. revelation as well is so well understood through doing Just what you are Here, working opur way through the Law or torah, even nevi'im ( prophets) and "Ketuvim" making the Tanakh complete. all of those things all explain one another and find thier roots and fruits in one another all through the blessed Gospel of Our Lord and Savior.
when we are reading a book like revelation, if we study that in conjunction with tanakh it truly interprets its self, or Hebrews understanding is found in the tanakh so that we Know what is being said in Hebrews. all of the nt writers understood the first covenant thoroughly. Paul was a pharisee thoze zealous for each detail of the tanakh. so when the Gospel was revealed to Him He understood its connection and what it means again in conjunction with the nt things. its Quit obvious John also Had deep understandings of the tanakh particularly in His revelation understanding of the "nevi'im" things Like ezekiel and daniel, zechariah and isaiah. though israel was the Elect to start with, in thier rejection of Messiah Yeshua who is foreshadowed by so many figures in the ot such as melchezidek, enoch, and particularly He is named shiloh and foreshadowed by" malakh adonai" of "the aramaic targom of onkelos" Malakh adonai" was the angel of the Lord who was recognized as God Himself or the exact representation of God Himself, Like Jesus truly is. He is mentioned i believe around 50 times in the tanakh .
Genesis 16:7-13 v 13 "And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me? " ( Hagar identifies Him as el-Roi in hebrew.)
this after Malakh adonai speaks to Her speaking Gods word. oi think alot of folks dont understand that No one Has ever seen God Himself, but many times they see malakh adonai and recognize Him as God and God says His name is on and within this Mighty angel Who again in" aramaic targom of onkelos" is the manifestation of God particularly . He is the King of angels, One with God above all other malakhim, He also is who appeared to moses in the burning bush and says " I am the God of...
exodus 3:2-6 "And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.3And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.4And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.5And he said, Draw not near here: put off your shoes from your feet, for the place on which you stand is holy ground.6Moreover he said, I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God."
malakh adonai was How God was seen face to face in the tanakh, a foreshadow of Jesus in the Gospel. i think around 45 times or so someone sees this King of angels and calls Him God, or identifies Him as God seeing me, He always speaks as God. Isaiah calls Him "the angel of Gods presence" isaiah 63:9 "In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.
He is Known as Gods message, the King of the Angels, and Jesus is called "Melekh Ha-kavod" " the King of Gods Glory" and "adonai Tzeva'ot " the King of Heavenly Host" the only angel ever called God or accepts worship as each time He is speaking as if He is God,
Judges 2:1 "And the angel of the LORD ( malakh Adonai) came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said,I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I swore unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you."
Because of the Hebrew study, i truly look at Him as the pre manifestation of Yeshua. He always speaks that way not saying " the Lord says this as others do, or i bring you the word of the Lord as others, when He speaks its different He is reverenced above angels, He speaks A personal message as if God is speaking, saying " I brought you out of egypt" things we Know God Himself Did.
sorry this is off subject i dont often Meet people with Hebrew Knowledge along with Greek and possibly aramaic interest and in Hebrew this is a very great study, to Understand that God Himself Has truly never been seen but by the messiah.
yep, the apostles never used a personal name for God, seems reasonable that we wouldn't, either.
they do have a personal name for the son of God, yes!
THE ACTS 4:12 There is salvation in none other, for neither is there
any other name
under heaven, that is
given among men,
by which we must be saved!”
no name except Yeshua/Jesus!
would you agree that if there was a Hebrew original to the book we call Hebrews, it has since been lost?
meaning that there were no Hebrew-speaking Christians around who thought it was worth copying?
right,
so I can understand Jewish people doing that.
but for Christians, doesn't it make more sense to just write God or the Lord like the apostles did?
or do you mean that if we write
God
when
the Lord
would be the correct title in the context, we've done something wrong?