A misconception of obedience
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I am currently not "ignoring" anyone on this forum. Typically, though, since the doctrine of sinless perfection is in great dissfavor these days within Christendom, people who support it do not come right out and admit that they support it. They tend to give illusive answers to direct questions about their beliefs and they always refuse to answer a direct question as to whether they believe in the doctrine of sinless perfection. As a result, it is frustrating having conversations with them over their doctrine. So I generally do not engage them any more.
No issue at all. BUT you said,
"Blain said: Our sins died with Christ on the cross they are no more past and future sins are wiped clean in the book of life forever and ever
This is the power of the blood that was shed for our sake, we obey him not to remain in him but for him out of love and gratitude"
I asked this,
Are you saying that when JESUS died on the cross everyones sins have been removed for ever and since that time all will go to Heaven and no one to Hell?
So how do we know those who are of Christ? What does one have to do to be saved?
When he died, does that get rid of did it erase everyone's sins for ever and since that time all will go to Heaven and no one to Hell?
"Blain said: Our sins died with Christ on the cross they are no more past and future sins are wiped clean in the book of life forever and ever
This is the power of the blood that was shed for our sake, we obey him not to remain in him but for him out of love and gratitude"
I asked this,
Are you saying that when JESUS died on the cross everyones sins have been removed for ever and since that time all will go to Heaven and no one to Hell?
So how do we know those who are of Christ? What does one have to do to be saved?
When he died, does that get rid of did it erase everyone's sins for ever and since that time all will go to Heaven and no one to Hell?
Well we will be judged both sinners and saints and as for what one must do to be saved well it is to believe and accept in Jesus Christ
you know who is saved by the fruits they show when they show the love and heart of God in their everyday life then you know they are saved for it says in scripture you will know them by their fruits
but when he died it got rid of everyones sins who believe on the name of Jesus christ not all whoare alive have their sins removed until then he cleanses those who are in him those who are not well they will continue to be condemned to judgement
you know who is saved by the fruits they show when they show the love and heart of God in their everyday life then you know they are saved for it says in scripture you will know them by their fruits
but when he died it got rid of everyones sins who believe on the name of Jesus christ not all whoare alive have their sins removed until then he cleanses those who are in him those who are not well they will continue to be condemned to judgement
No issue at all. BUT you said,
"Blain said: Our sins died with Christ on the cross they are no more past and future sins are wiped clean in the book of life forever and ever
This is the power of the blood that was shed for our sake, we obey him not to remain in him but for him out of love and gratitude"
I asked this,
Are you saying that when JESUS died on the cross everyones sins have been removed for ever and since that time all will go to Heaven and no one to Hell?
So how do we know those who are of Christ? What does one have to do to be saved?
When he died, does that get rid of did it erase everyone's sins for ever and since that time all will go to Heaven and no one to Hell?
"Blain said: Our sins died with Christ on the cross they are no more past and future sins are wiped clean in the book of life forever and ever
This is the power of the blood that was shed for our sake, we obey him not to remain in him but for him out of love and gratitude"
I asked this,
Are you saying that when JESUS died on the cross everyones sins have been removed for ever and since that time all will go to Heaven and no one to Hell?
So how do we know those who are of Christ? What does one have to do to be saved?
When he died, does that get rid of did it erase everyone's sins for ever and since that time all will go to Heaven and no one to Hell?
Well we will be judged both sinners and saints and as for what one must do to be saved well it is to believe and accept in Jesus Christ
you know who is saved by the fruits they show when they show the love and heart of God in their everyday life then you know they are saved for it says in scripture you will know them by their fruits
but when he died it got rid of everyones sins who believe on the name of Jesus christ not all whoare alive have their sins removed until then he cleanses those who are in him those who are not well they will continue to be condemned to judgement
you know who is saved by the fruits they show when they show the love and heart of God in their everyday life then you know they are saved for it says in scripture you will know them by their fruits
but when he died it got rid of everyones sins who believe on the name of Jesus christ not all whoare alive have their sins removed until then he cleanses those who are in him those who are not well they will continue to be condemned to judgement
Sorry If I posted the same thing tiwice.
Thank you for the reply, what do you think these verses say and mean?
John 3:5
King James Version
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Mark 16:16-17
King James Version
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Thank you for the reply, what do you think these verses say and mean?
John 3:5
King James Version
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Mark 16:16-17
King James Version
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
I agree, Satans plan keep them out of the water and if they get in keep JESUS name out of it.
All of the debates I get into not once has someone agreeed with how to get rid of our sins, which is disagreeing with HIS WORD not mind!!!
But I also know they may not see it today, so seeds I plant lol.
All of the debates I get into not once has someone agreeed with how to get rid of our sins, which is disagreeing with HIS WORD not mind!!!
But I also know they may not see it today, so seeds I plant lol.
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Without a doubt Jesus' sacrifice paid the penalty for the sin of all humanity. However, few will take hold of what Jesus died to provide. (Matt. 7:14) Keep in mind, Jesus said everyone is going to be judged by the word; not personal opinions. And the word reveals those living in the NT who believe in Jesus must be baptized in water in His name for remission of sin.
Do you not agree with the following scriptures about God's command of water baptism?
Luke 1:76-77 reveals God would use John the Baptist to give knowledge about water baptism for the remission of sin.
"And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,"
Mark 1:4
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
After Jesus' resurrection He said remission of sin would be preached in His name and would begin in Jerusalem. It was, in fact, in Jerusalem that the command to be water baptized in His name was first presented. And the command was specific, it applied to everyone:
Luke 24:47
"And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Afterward the Gentiles received the same instruction:
Acts 10:43
To him (Jesus) give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Even after being filled with the Holy Ghost, those who believed in Jesus had to be water baptized in His name. Why? Because God established water baptism for remission of sin.
Acts 10:47-48
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Do you not agree with the following scriptures about God's command of water baptism?
Luke 1:76-77 reveals God would use John the Baptist to give knowledge about water baptism for the remission of sin.
"And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,"
Mark 1:4
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
After Jesus' resurrection He said remission of sin would be preached in His name and would begin in Jerusalem. It was, in fact, in Jerusalem that the command to be water baptized in His name was first presented. And the command was specific, it applied to everyone:
Luke 24:47
"And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Afterward the Gentiles received the same instruction:
Acts 10:43
To him (Jesus) give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Even after being filled with the Holy Ghost, those who believed in Jesus had to be water baptized in His name. Why? Because God established water baptism for remission of sin.
Acts 10:47-48
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
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FYI, since HIS word says we get rid of our sins when we get baptized in JESUS name the one you are disagreeing with is JESUS!!!!
But that is why there are so many different denominations, A LOT of people disagree with JESUS the problem is when they stand in front of HIM, HE will be judging them WITH HIS RULE BOOK!!!
Have YOU received the Holy Ghost since YOU have believed? HOW were YOU baptized?
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
But that is why there are so many different denominations, A LOT of people disagree with JESUS the problem is when they stand in front of HIM, HE will be judging them WITH HIS RULE BOOK!!!
Have YOU received the Holy Ghost since YOU have believed? HOW were YOU baptized?
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Water Baptism, made public for the first time by John the Baptist, why?
John was the Son of
Luke 1:5-25
The Birth of John the Baptist Foretold
In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron. Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commands and decrees blamelessly. But they were childless because Elizabeth was not able to conceive, and they were both very old. ...
John's Job was to announce the Messiah when he saw the Messiah coming, his Job was to water Baptize Jesus as the High Priest.
Jesus was not a Levite, and so being not a Levite, he would not be accepted in the Priesthood by the Levitical Priesthood, So, John a Levite Priest the Son of Zechariah knew what the Levites did behind the scenes of the people, being a Levite Priest himself. That is why, when they showed up and asked him about what he was doing and is he the Messiah? He told them no. One coming after him that he will announce as the Messiah when he shows up, he will know and tell all so. However, The water Baptism is over, ever since he Water Baptized, The Messiah then announced who Jesus is, after water Baptism. Now, John had done all needed to do as born to do. Then Jesus fulfilled all law and Prophets that predicted is life to be here and do Law perfect, for us the people once for us all. That is now done, John 19:30, John 1:29.
New life is in the risen Son, not the dead one. The Willing dead one first, was and is for reconciliation to all as forgiven to all from God Father for us all. ( 2Cor 5:16-20) to now, turn to Father and ask for the new life in his risen Son for us to be new and love all, no more accusing or excusing, now, being accountable to God and no more independence on self or anyone else
1 John 2:27, read it from verse 1 please we are forgiven by God for us in Son as risen to us to teach each person new in love and mercy given them first, then one will love all in truth, 1 John 4:19
Thank you
Now, yes go ahead and be water Baptized, be willing for that to happen to you too, yet do it as a good conscience between Farther and you, God does just love us all y'all. 1 Peter 3
Now, Jesus was to fulfill all law of Moses, and get water Baptized by John to fulfill all Law as in Matthew 5:17 states he came here to earth to do first. Then did it and said has done it in John 19:30, and 2 Cor 5:17-20.
Psalm 103:12 is today filled in the Messiah, Jesus, Emmanuelle. God now ready to give you and anyone else in belief too, a new Heart as described in Ezekiel 36:26. No more have to do to get, this is a gift from God Father and Son as Won for you and all others too, thank you love all is the call, even those that have done you wrong, wow! what a call. How can I, you or anyone else love those that have done you, me and others wrong? By this amazing grace given to all through Son's done work on that cross for us all first. How it is now seen and done for me too, God reveals it, not anyone else. We that are born new by God, only share in care to all, thank you, at least me I can only love all as Jesus said in Matthew about if another does wrong to you, love that one still. In the old, first testament, it was said an eye for an eye
No more, today, Romans 2:1-4, as soon as Is think accuse or stand against anyone I remember what God has said to me in Romans 2:1-4
John was the Son of
Luke 1:5-25
The Birth of John the Baptist Foretold
In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron. Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commands and decrees blamelessly. But they were childless because Elizabeth was not able to conceive, and they were both very old. ...
John's Job was to announce the Messiah when he saw the Messiah coming, his Job was to water Baptize Jesus as the High Priest.
Jesus was not a Levite, and so being not a Levite, he would not be accepted in the Priesthood by the Levitical Priesthood, So, John a Levite Priest the Son of Zechariah knew what the Levites did behind the scenes of the people, being a Levite Priest himself. That is why, when they showed up and asked him about what he was doing and is he the Messiah? He told them no. One coming after him that he will announce as the Messiah when he shows up, he will know and tell all so. However, The water Baptism is over, ever since he Water Baptized, The Messiah then announced who Jesus is, after water Baptism. Now, John had done all needed to do as born to do. Then Jesus fulfilled all law and Prophets that predicted is life to be here and do Law perfect, for us the people once for us all. That is now done, John 19:30, John 1:29.
New life is in the risen Son, not the dead one. The Willing dead one first, was and is for reconciliation to all as forgiven to all from God Father for us all. ( 2Cor 5:16-20) to now, turn to Father and ask for the new life in his risen Son for us to be new and love all, no more accusing or excusing, now, being accountable to God and no more independence on self or anyone else
1 John 2:27, read it from verse 1 please we are forgiven by God for us in Son as risen to us to teach each person new in love and mercy given them first, then one will love all in truth, 1 John 4:19
Thank you
Now, yes go ahead and be water Baptized, be willing for that to happen to you too, yet do it as a good conscience between Farther and you, God does just love us all y'all. 1 Peter 3
Now, Jesus was to fulfill all law of Moses, and get water Baptized by John to fulfill all Law as in Matthew 5:17 states he came here to earth to do first. Then did it and said has done it in John 19:30, and 2 Cor 5:17-20.
Psalm 103:12 is today filled in the Messiah, Jesus, Emmanuelle. God now ready to give you and anyone else in belief too, a new Heart as described in Ezekiel 36:26. No more have to do to get, this is a gift from God Father and Son as Won for you and all others too, thank you love all is the call, even those that have done you wrong, wow! what a call. How can I, you or anyone else love those that have done you, me and others wrong? By this amazing grace given to all through Son's done work on that cross for us all first. How it is now seen and done for me too, God reveals it, not anyone else. We that are born new by God, only share in care to all, thank you, at least me I can only love all as Jesus said in Matthew about if another does wrong to you, love that one still. In the old, first testament, it was said an eye for an eye
No more, today, Romans 2:1-4, as soon as Is think accuse or stand against anyone I remember what God has said to me in Romans 2:1-4
So, sorry, I agree with water baptism as a good conscience towards God. Not to be one rewarded by people in any Church building or in society either
God did on the cross willingly, not by having to, by choosing to, it was for us all the people to get reconciled first as if never sinned to begin with (Col 1:21-23), That got done on that cross in Son's shed blood for us all, done once Hebrews 10:10, to be given the message of reconciliation as stated in (2 Cor 5:16-20) from the disciples to us all. and see new from Father when he, Jesus said it is finished, John 19:30 he meant it and is now done for us to be new in his resurrected life now in the present given for ever in love and mercy to all,, even those that do not believe.
If, I do not love people, all that I see, even those that have done me wrong, how can one anyone, even if water Baptized say they love God?
God did on the cross willingly, not by having to, by choosing to, it was for us all the people to get reconciled first as if never sinned to begin with (Col 1:21-23), That got done on that cross in Son's shed blood for us all, done once Hebrews 10:10, to be given the message of reconciliation as stated in (2 Cor 5:16-20) from the disciples to us all. and see new from Father when he, Jesus said it is finished, John 19:30 he meant it and is now done for us to be new in his resurrected life now in the present given for ever in love and mercy to all,, even those that do not believe.
If, I do not love people, all that I see, even those that have done me wrong, how can one anyone, even if water Baptized say they love God?
As you just said in your response, they were not yet Spirit Baptized, they had been water Baptized, not yet by Father and Jesus as one with them in God's Spirit and truth (Spirit) Baptized, yet. God came upon these through using Paul (A willing vessel) and they were made new instantly, by God Father in the risen Son Jesus for them, which words from others cannot reveal this truth These that are born new, just know it and are rested from working as a show and tell, flesh attitude to be accepted by others, No need, since by God these are born new by God's done work of Son for them, first. I have tried and can't, seeing only God can, and does. I know what my motive is, I do not know others as God knows all motives, Romans 8:15-16. I do know, just love all as is the call I see and stand in belief to God over the done work of Son for all. that got done for all in Son for us all to choose. above all else, being new in thankfulness, to God personally.
Be careful not to misunderstand the mystery revealed today by Father and Son for us all to be new in love and mercy given us first, in the reconciliation first as forgiven, by Father thanks to Son doing willingly what is now done, presently and forever, since that cross once for us all to choose to believe God or not consciously so, that is done through Son for us all, to believe truth from God over many errors in this world still here. that cross in the willing death first is done once for us all to be born new in His resurrection, thank you. That only Daddy, PaPa, Father can reveal and does to one person at a time. thank you
No more under Law, that besets people to error(s) and those under Law continue to put people in guilt and pride, that has nothing to do with mercy given us from God Father and Son as Won for us all to be new in love and mercy as given us first by God through Son. thank you Father