A misconception of obedience

[homwardbound]

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At this point, I do not know or remember, my fault, I did not quote it, Thanks, I do disagree with Water Baptism removing sin(s) though
Why?
1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

1 Peter 3:16
having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

The righteousness anyone does after belief to God that saves us through the resurrection of Son for us, wen I do as led from God personally, at least me. thanks and not for any further rewards, since got new life from God to love all, even those that do wrong still, not that I will not or will not ever do wrong ever again, I trust to God not though, thank you
Love all as am loved first

 

[Haidabo]

Obedience to Christ for salvation does not equal in any way shape or form on one’s ability to save themselves or relying on self no more than all those examples I gave where they obeyed. Mercy…the lengths people will go to to get out of obedience is downright frightening.

I would like to know what you have to
Say about 1st Timothy 4:16.
Would you please give me your
Assessment of that verse as according
To how you believe it

 

[Haidabo]

I ignore people who preach sinless perfection.

Why?

 

[Haidabo]

Obedience is the result of love, love is the key factor.

I love the fear the of the Lord.

 

[Haidabo]

Obedience doesn't contribute to salvation, but salvation definitely yields obedience.

There is no salvation of God
For you without your obedience unto God.

True or false?

 

[Cameron143]

There is no salvation of God
For you without your obedience unto God.

True or false?

There is no salvation caused by obedience, but there is no genuine salvation that doesn't lead to obedience.

 

[Haidabo]

There is no salvation caused by obedience, but there is no genuine salvation that doesn't lead to obedience.

That's not correct.
To enter into the kingdom of God
You first must obey God

 

[Cameron143]

That's not correct.
To enter into the kingdom of God
You first must obey God

To enter the kingdom of God you must be born again. Did you obey to be born the first time?

 

[Haidabo]

To enter the kingdom of God you must be born again. Did you obey to be born the first time?

To have eternal life the salvation of God
It is written that you must drink the blood of Jesus and eat the flesh of Jesus.
That requires obedience first.

 

[Cameron143]

To have eternal life the salvation of God
It is written that you must drink the blood of Jesus and eat the flesh of Jesus.
That requires obedience first.

Sorry, but I'm out of troll food. Perhaps you will find someone who is stocked up. Grace and peace.

 

[Haidabo]

Sorry, but I'm out of troll food. Perhaps you will find someone who is stocked up. Grace and peace.

I'm use to being disrespected
By self righteous Christians.
But I will take that Grace and peace.
That comes from God.

 

[Cameron143]

I'm use to being disrespected
By self righteous Christians.
But I will take that Grace and peace.
That comes from God.

I'm not disrespecting you, I'm having some sport. I think you disrespect yourself and others. Perhaps if you looked for areas of agreement and built relationships, people would be less reticent to receive criticism from you.

I do find it interesting that when someone does to you what you do to others you label it self-righteousness. What do you call it when you do it?

 

[Haidabo]

I'm not disrespecting you, I'm having some sport. I think you disrespect yourself and others. Perhaps if you looked for areas of agreement and built relationships, people would be less reticent to receive criticism from you.

I do find it interesting that when someone does to you what you do to others you label it self-righteousness. What do you call it when you do it?

I wonder if you would
Have the same opinion of me
If you could see it from my point of view?

 

[JimiSurvivor]

Obedience to Christ for salvation does not equal in any way shape or form on one’s ability to save themselves or relying on self no more than all those examples I gave where they obeyed. Mercy…the lengths people will go to to get out of obedience is downright frightening.

I think faith and works or, the concrete expression of faith in actions INTERACT. When Abraham was told to sacrifice his son it was a terrible moment. However, as he and his son climbed Moriah something began to happen. Abraham remembered that God had said "In Isaac will your decendants be called" Thus Isaac had to live but now it looked like he would have to die. The only solution he could come up with was Isaac would have to rise from the dead.

22You see that his faith was working with his actions, and his faith was perfected by what he did.
(Jamed 2:22)
Faith was working WITH his ACTIONS until his faith reached the highest level Christians sometimes argue about what comes first but really both faith and obedience interact.

 

[Cameron143]

I wonder if you would
Have the same opinion of me
If you could see it from my point of view?

I don't have an opinion on you; simply your actions. But answering your own question might give you some insight.

 

[Haidabo]

I don't have an opinion on you; simply your actions. But answering your own question might give you some insight.

We shall see what God has to say about it

 

[Ouch]

Our sins died with Christ on the cross they are no more past and future sins are wiped clean in the book of life forever and ever

This is the power of the blood that was shed for our sake, we obey him not to remain in him but for him out of love and gratitude

Are you saying that when JESUS died on the cross everyones sins have been removed for ever and since that time all will go to Heaven and no one to Hell?

 

[Sipsey]

Are you saying that when JESUS died on the cross everyones sins have been removed for ever and since that time all will go to Heaven and no one to Hell?

Are people sent to hell because of their sins, or unbelief in the living God?

 

[Blain]

Are you saying that when JESUS died on the cross everyones sins have been removed for ever and since that time all will go to Heaven and no one to Hell?

no I am those in Christ not everyone

 

[Ouch]

Are people sent to hell because of their sins, or unbelief in the living God?

Just can't answer the question? Answering with a question?

If all they do is believe, they are sent to Hell for both!

Believing in GOD does not get you reborn.

He gave us insurrections, we can obey them or not.

JESUS said we need BOTH water and spirit!!

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.