A Double Standard in Christianity?

[SophieT]

I pointed out a handful of cases, with quotations. After some back-and-forth (see page 14), here is his response:



It's not an apology, and I wouldn't consider it 'repentance' but at least he acknowledged it. Whether he changes his practice remains to be seen.

yes I saw that

the 'it's under the blood anyway' part is especially precious

he can't continue with the attacks questioning peoples salvation though...it's against the TOS I believe and should be reported

he has done this over and over and thinks he is king tut around here

 

[MatthewWestfieldUK]

Hello Matthew I find it a bit odd when that passage about Eve being deceived while Adam was not is offered up by a male and given as a reason why women should not be accorded any authority, because the impression it gives is that men want to believe that men are never deceived, and obviously that in itself is a deception. Alongside that is also the implication that it is better to deliberately and willfully disobey God than it is to disobey based on not knowing any better. If men were never deceived there would be no false teachings, right? And yet we hear all the time complaints about how far the church has fallen and about this false teacher and that false teacher. By and large the false teachers are always men. Men who have been deceived, and then mislead others...

Men are cunning. But the fall for the most shallow reasons too

 

[SophieT]

@Laura798,

What was it about this post that you disagreed with?

The statement? And/or the scripture that substantiated the statement?

Do you believe in Jesus?

And, do you believe that the Bible is the word of God?

the pomposity of your reply to Laura who provided examples from scripture is beyond even what one might expect from such a person as yourself

we see here, it is actually you that cannot abide the truth of the word

and now you challenge her Christianity as being authentic by asking if she believes in Jesus?

it's really enough from you. people need to report you for your nasty comments and the way you seem to think they are not Christian if they disagree with you

 

[justbyfaith]

you really have ensnared yourself in your own self righteousness

No; His imputed righteousness; and it is not a snare.

 

[justbyfaith]

I said it seems like the beginnings of gnosticisim

funny how that repeats itself

the rest of your post is just you talking to yourself

Get 'er Holy Ghost...

 

[SophieT]

It is immaturity that might lead someone to insult another person.

And of course, any time we point the finger at someone else, we have three fingers pointing back at us (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42).

hang on

you only have 2 hands

you cannot possibly keep up with yourself

 

[justbyfaith]

How can I dishonor you? You say I cannot hear you--you are not Jesus are you? Who speaks this way?

"But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.”
--John 10:5

ditto to what I said in the post above (#345)

 

[SophieT]

No; His imputed righteousness; and it is not a snare.

I don't believe you have actual comprehension concerning our position in Christ

you deny it to just about everyone else. you are not the exception you believe yourself to be

you are a snare...both to yourself and to everyone else here, whom you abuse with your consistent nasty responses and questioning whether or not they are saved

you are out of line

 

[justbyfaith]

saying a pastor is the head of an unmarried or widowed woman is begging for abuse

but I'm not surprised you would take it in that direction

She is to have a symbol of authority on her head because of the angels.

If she is going to teach something in church, someone needs to be her covering because she is subject to deception according to 1 Timothy 2:11-14.

 

[justbyfaith]

I don't believe you have actual comprehension concerning our position in Christ

you deny it to just about everyone else. you are not the exception you believe yourself to be

you are a snare...both to yourself and to everyone else here, whom you abuse with your consistent nasty responses and questioning whether or not they are saved

you are out of line

May the Lord abundantly bless you and receive you as a son.

 

[Magenta]

She is to have a symbol of authority on her head because of the angels.

If she is going to teach something in church, someone needs to be her covering because she is subject to deception according to 1 Timothy 2:11-14.

A woman's hair is given as a covering.

You speak as if you believe men are never deceived, which shows that you yourself have fallen under deception.

 

[Laura798]

Get 'er Holy Ghost...

JBF,

Since you dittoed me on this post I'll respond here . You said "Get 'er Holy Ghost!"

Hmm? You do know the attributes of the Holy Spirit correct-that he's not like a 'Halloween' Ghost that you can sic on people, right?

 

[Laura798]

Get 'er Holy Ghost...

Ps I know it's Halloween and all, but I think it's not a good idea to get too much into that kind of stuff, especially since it seems your getting your ghosts mixed up...just sayin...

 

[SophieT]

some interesting reading here regarding one woman's experience with the double standard in Christianity which exists and which does need to be examined

Rise Above the Double Standard


In a previous ministry, I had a fairly standard and polite disagreement over email with a coworker. It wasn’t heated or contentious, just a discussion about how to use a Greek word. I copied the others from our earlier meeting to keep them in the loop.

“Tough emails, huh?” one observed hours later.

“Which ones?”

“The ones during your catfight with S—,” he said. “I’m glad I wasn’t involved.”

I laughed it off, but catfight? I reread the emails, but I was at a loss for what had made our interaction a catfight. That word stayed with me for the rest of the day. Two men had listened in to a discussion between two women and their takeaway was that we’d had a catfight.

I am a woman in ministry.

catfight anyone?

 

[SophieT]

Naming the Problem
Over the last 14 years I’ve served in various leadership roles, from youth worker to college ministry intern to church planter to hospital chaplain to adjunct Christian college instructor to working for an urban church in Chicago. In every one of these positions, I’ve encountered resistance that is baffling. It’s not that I was banned from leadership, but that people weren’t comfortable with my comfort in leadership. What made it difficult was that it was far more insidious than, “You aren’t qualified for leadership because you possess female reproductive organs.” (Don’t get me wrong; I have encountered that before—over and over again.)

A blatant double standard exists in being a woman in ministry, yet the ways we encounter resistance can be so hard to call out that most of us give up on trying. Some women give up on their call to ministry altogether or are left wondering why they felt a calling that left them shredded on the inside and in doubt of their gifts and skills.

Part of this is because we have a complicated culture that both celebrates and shames women in equal measures, sometimes in the same breath. It’s a culture that tells us that women are worth what they look like or that their value is inversely proportional to how much they weigh. But it’s also a culture that tells us we can have it all—and then chastises us for either being too career-focused or a stay-at-home mom. We’re told we should be content in ourselves because we are enough and yet are constantly given ways to improve so we can be more, which is baffling.

 

[SophieT]

Honestly, I don’t expect much from culture. But I expect more from the church. It should be a culture changer for equality, a refuge from the world, and a place of support and love. But often women in leadership find the opposite. They find themselves affirmed to be leaders then critiqued for leading. Be the worship leader, but run any changes by a male leader. Take over the hospitality ministry, but don’t ask men to bake. Lead a group devoted to racial reconciliation, but don’t ask to have a leading voice in the church. Plant a ministry overseas, but don’t be too vocal about our duty to human rights.

The double standard I’ve observed is that women are held to be equals but then chastised for expressing themselves in traditionally masculine ways. The double standard is apparent when women are told to contribute to a discussion, but then are told they are bossy or nagging or too aggressive about their opinions. But this isn’t limited to men; we women can also tear each other down. I’ve been guilty of this. I’m not immune to social pressure that has flipped our God-given equality for the gendered oppression of the Fall. I’ve also been guilty of thinking a woman had less to offer than her male counterparts or valuing a man’s praise or comments over a woman’s.

same source

 

[Magenta]

When Eve was made for Adam, the term used to describe her role was ezer kenegdo.

Re: Hebrew ezer kenegdo.

The Hebrew word ezer is a combination of two roots: `-z-r, meaning "to rescue, to save," and g-z-r, meaning "to be strong."

In Genesis 2:18, the word "helpmeet" does not occur. The Hebrew expression ezer kenegdo appears, meaning "one who is the same as the other and who surrounds, protects, aids, helps, supports." The combination of these two Hebrew words has two roots: `-z-r, meaning "to rescue, to save," and g-z-r, meaning "to be strong." There is no indication of inferiority or of a secondary position in an hierarchical separation of the male and female "spheres" of responsibility, authority, or social position.

Use of the word ezer in the Scripture often refers to either God or military allies. In all other cases the one giving the help is superior to the one receiving the help. Adding kenegdo (meet) modifies the meaning to that of equal rather than superior status. Scripture is so awesome. God says just what He means.

The word ezer is used twice in the Old Testament to refer to the female and 14 times to refer to God.
For example, in the Psalms when David says, "The Lord is my Helper," he uses the word ezer.

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and click again.

 

[SteveEpperson]

Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 1 Tim. 2:11-12.

Thumbs-downing this scripture and the rest of His word is not going to make it go away.

 

[Gardenias]

I can only imagine who is receiving correction here,since I no longer see his very misguided posts.
He will not be corrected by a bunch of women,men either most likely.
I leave him in the hands of God for chaistment and correction.
Today is the day of salvation,we're not promised tomorrow!


PS.doesn't the word say a woman's long hair is also HER GLORY?

 

[Laura798]

Notable women in the Old Testament

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• Deborah, Judge
• Jael, won a battle by killing Sisera
• Abigail, who saved the lives of the men of her household when David was going to kill them
• Esther, who saved the Jewish nation from annihilation
• Rahab the prostitute who helped save the Israelite spies and was included in the lineage of Jesus
• Ruth who joins her mother in law, Naomi away from her own people and is in the lineage of Jesus

That's just a few...I'm sure I missed some.

Oh and I forgot to say that Ruth --the 'Moabitess' (also a Jewish proselyte) had gone out into the field (unaware it was Naomi's near kinsman) to work to support her and her mother in-law. Boaz was obviously impressed with her--both her work initiative and her faith! Ps And she boldly followed Naomi's instruction--that took guts to go to the threshing floor and then to ask Boaz to marry her. pps not suggesting this last bit--i'm sure there a deeper meaning behind this story....