A particle the size of the Bang would leave record somewhere. Do you believe when the nucleus froze, heat, shrank, annihilated the particles were one and the destruction of the Bang created altered particles? It's all energy. Energy can be detected when its been interrupted. Do we have the correct formula to calculate that?
A complex question about free will and Calvinism
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A particle the size of the Bang would leave record somewhere. Do you believe when the nucleus froze, heat, shrank, annihilated the particles were one and the destruction of the Bang created altered particles? It's all energy. Energy can be detected when its been interrupted. Do we have the correct formula to calculate that?
None. The principle is there. Since the thing from which we are promised salvation — the Lake of Fire — hasn’t even begun to burn yet, we technically haven’t been saved from it...yet.
So, when the Bible says we “are saved” in the present tense, it’s a commentary on the bold assurance we are to have in God’s promise to save us from the coming judgment (because God’s omniscience allows Him to speak of things that shall be as though they presently are), not a present condition where the Lake of Fire has burned out and we are able to tread down the ashes of the wicked under a newly created heaven and earth.
So, when the Bible says we “are saved” in the present tense, it’s a commentary on the bold assurance we are to have in God’s promise to save us from the coming judgment (because God’s omniscience allows Him to speak of things that shall be as though they presently are), not a present condition where the Lake of Fire has burned out and we are able to tread down the ashes of the wicked under a newly created heaven and earth.
A person in christ
Everyone who is ' in christ ' WILL not go into the lake of fire . I don't know how much more saved a person could be ? This is on the promise of God . There is nothing more certain than this . Being predestined to glorification, sealed by the Holy Spirit AS the guarantee. At best you could say it hasn't happened yet ( the redemption of the body ) . But everyone who is in Christ CANNOT go into the lake of fire . Its literally impossible. Unless God is lying .And we can be certain God CANNOT lie .
Everyone who is ' in christ ' WILL not go into the lake of fire . I don't know how much more saved a person could be ? This is on the promise of God . There is nothing more certain than this . Being predestined to glorification, sealed by the Holy Spirit AS the guarantee. At best you could say it hasn't happened yet ( the redemption of the body ) . But everyone who is in Christ CANNOT go into the lake of fire . Its literally impossible. Unless God is lying .And we can be certain God CANNOT lie .
If a person in Christ ends up in the lake of fire then it would mean Jesus goes to ..
Ephesians 5:30
“For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.”
Eph 2
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Col 1
26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Ephesians 5:30
“For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.”
Eph 2
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Col 1
26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Yes ... and I believe the point of Romans 1:18-20 is that there is no excuse for those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness in refusing to acknowledge the eternal power of God as exhibited in creation.
Romans 1:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
God's wrath falls upon those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness (vs 18) because God reveals Himself (vs 19) even His eternal power and Godhead (vs 20) to mankind through creation.
However, some reject any mention of God having created the universe and all that is therein. Those who refuse to acknowledge God have no excuse because God has revealed a glimpse of Himself and He is rejected.
I believe that as we observe the eternal power and Godhead exhibited in creation, we then examine those things and that is what brings us to study creation ... some examine more closely than others and become aware of the intricate details of creation ... hopefully within the framework of Scripture.
Another verse I like is Hebrews 11:3 ... through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Romans 1:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
God's wrath falls upon those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness (vs 18) because God reveals Himself (vs 19) even His eternal power and Godhead (vs 20) to mankind through creation.
However, some reject any mention of God having created the universe and all that is therein. Those who refuse to acknowledge God have no excuse because God has revealed a glimpse of Himself and He is rejected.
I believe that as we observe the eternal power and Godhead exhibited in creation, we then examine those things and that is what brings us to study creation ... some examine more closely than others and become aware of the intricate details of creation ... hopefully within the framework of Scripture.
Another verse I like is Hebrews 11:3 ... through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
If a person in Christ ends up in the lake of fire then it would mean Jesus goes to ..
Ephesians 5:30
“For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.”
Eph 2
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Col 1
26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Ephesians 5:30
“For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.”
Eph 2
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Col 1
26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
That looks like you have amalgamated several scriptures there . Being ' in christ ' is not a pledge of allegiance. Its a locality . Notice in Eph 2.6 where a believer spiritually is located . Religion / cults teach that Following Jesus is an ' example' or that he came to offer us a ' start ' and we need to do the rest . Salvation is not Joining a membership. Its not a commitment like Joining the Navy . We are irreversibly changed spiritually in Christ . Eph 1.3 ,2 cor 5.17
¶If ye then be RISEN with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3For ye ARE DEAD , and your life is HID with Christ in God.
4When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then SHALL ye also appear with him in glory.
Col 3
I never can understand how some must gloss over these clear verses , in favour of parables, the old testament and verses aimed at Israel , the tribulation and before the cross ? Do you start in revelation and work backwards to Genesis ,when studying the bible?
2Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3For ye ARE DEAD , and your life is HID with Christ in God.
4When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then SHALL ye also appear with him in glory.
Col 3
I never can understand how some must gloss over these clear verses , in favour of parables, the old testament and verses aimed at Israel , the tribulation and before the cross ? Do you start in revelation and work backwards to Genesis ,when studying the bible?
Not really so complex.
Free will is nothing more than "opportunity". Of which one chooses to do or ignore that opportunity. Like sin. The believer can choose to sin, or choose to not sin.
There is no "power" in free will, as so many seem to think by the way they describe and treat it.
Free will simply means the freedom to choose from among options.
Do any of us have the option to change the weather? No, of course not.
Free will is nothing more than "opportunity". Of which one chooses to do or ignore that opportunity. Like sin. The believer can choose to sin, or choose to not sin.
There is no "power" in free will, as so many seem to think by the way they describe and treat it.
Free will simply means the freedom to choose from among options.
Do any of us have the option to change the weather? No, of course not.
