5 Points of Arminianism
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You always give a supporting scripture included in a beautiful picture. Would you be kind enough to include this scripture?
Also give me your understanding of 1 Cor 2:14.
Yeah, you can keep repeating that, but the Bible also shows how God chooses the people to be saved. It's the people who choose to listen and learn from Him. Somewhere in that process, they're given discernment from the Holy Spirit. It's quite possible that the Holy Spirit was given at the same time that these people are given to the Lord Jesus.
I don't know why you wouldn't want salvation to be offered to everyone? Does it make being saved feel less special? Not all will get saved because not all are going to choose to hear God and learn from Him, if that makes you feel a little better.
Ok, I'm not Mormon, but I don't take caffeine. I have a bad reaction to it. Got anything else?
The Bible says faith comes from hearing the Word. Clearly we can choose spiritual things.
1 Corinthians 2:14 + 14
God opens our eyes and our ears and gives us a heart capable of loving Him .
1 Corinthians 2:14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
But how does someone get Him? Through God of course! Magenta made a beautiful panel that included the previous verse 12 before it:
1 Corinthians 2:12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us.
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John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
So not only will God the Father send those who choose to listen to and learn from Him to His Son, Lord Jesus, God will also give the Holy Spirit to these same people.
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A little more about those people who choose to listen to and learn from God:
Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.
So those who choose to listen to God, learn from Him.
What do they learn? To believe He exists and will reward those who seek him.
What is the reward? They are sent to His Son, Lord Jesus for salvation and the Holy Spirit for discernment.
Most of Israel, God's chosen people, turned away from God, and started worshiping idols, and God blinded their eyes to see the truths of the gospel, until they repent, but they did not lose their eternal inheritance.
God also left in the midst of them an afflicted, and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the Lord. The remnant of Israel shall do no iniquity, nor speak lies, neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth, for they shall lie down, and none shall make them afraid.(Zeph 3:11-13).
It is the remnants responsibility to preach, and teach the gospel to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel", praying that they should repent, not to inherit eternal life, which they already have, but to regain their fellowship with God.
Every time that a born again child of God commits a sin, they lose their fellowship with God, temporary, until they repent.
Salvation=deliverance, according to Greek translation.
There is a one time deliverance for those that God gave to Jesus ro redeem them from their sins on the cross, but there are many deliverances for those who have been redeemed as they sojourn here on earth, by their good works, such as; believing, accepting, confessing. and all other good deeds that they do.
1 Corinthians 2:14 + 14
God opens our eyes and our ears and gives us a heart capable of loving Him .
Yes, God does open our eyes and our ears and exchanges the heart of stone, of the natural person, to a heart of flesh that can be pricked to feel spiritual guilt, but do you not believe that is accomplished by God's grace in quickening the natural person, while he is still spiritually dead, being unable to respond to things that are spiritual, as stated in Eph 2:1?
My understanding of 1 Cor 2:14 is that the natural person, until he has been quickened to the new spiritual life, cannot respond to anything of a spiritual nature, due to the fact that he cannot discern them, and thinks them to be foolishness.
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: ( one result )
but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, ( then other result )
of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:”
Romans 2:4-10 KJVl
“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption;
but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.”
Galatians 6:7-9 KJV
“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”
Hebrews 11:6 KJV
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But God DOES give His spirit to those who choose to listen and learn from Him. That is how God chooses who to save and enlighten It's not like He arbitrarily gives His Holy Spirit to random people. He has a criteria as has been outline before.
I don't know why you would want to stick to a teaching that is incomplete. Don't you want to learn everything from God as accurately as possible?
You sound almost atheistic, “if there is a God who knew people would suffer and go to hell then why did he bother to create us…”
Read my response to Magenta #69. it will explain to you how the natural person becomes born again.
You base an entire theology on one verse. That's not good theology. The Holy Spirit can lead a person to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ without dwelling in that person as a new creation. You do know that right?
The lost sheep of the house of Israel, and the remnant are present here and now, and all who are born again is one or the other of them. You are right God does not change.
“Holiness Pentecostalism emerged in the early 20th century among radical adherents of the Wesleyan-Holiness movement, who were energized by Christian revivalism and expectation for the imminent Second Coming of Christ.[6] Believing that they were living in the end times, they expected God to spiritually renew the Christian Church, and bring to pass the restorationof spiritual gifts and the evangelization of the world. In 1900, Charles Parham, an American evangelist and faith healer, began teaching that speaking in tongues was the Bible evidence of Spirit baptism. Along with William J. Seymour, a Wesleyan-Holiness preacher, he taught that this was the third work of grace.[7] The three-year-long Azusa Street Revival, founded and led by Seymour in Los Angeles, California, resulted in the growth of Pentecostalism throughout the United States and the rest of the world. Visitors carried the Pentecostal experience back to their home churches or felt called to the mission field. While virtually all Pentecostal denominations trace their origins to Azusa Street, the movement has had several divisions and controversies. Early disputes centered on challenges to the doctrine of entire sanctification, as well as that of the Trinity. As a result, the Pentecostal movement is divided between Holiness Pentecostals who affirm the second work of grace, and Finished Work Pentecostals who are partitioned into trinitarian and non-trinitarian branches, the latter giving rise to Oneness Pentecostalism.[8][9]…Classical Pentecostal soteriology is generally Arminian rather than Calvinist.” Wiki.
Nope! and the only way that you think you know it is my your misinterpretation of the scriptures.
What to you mean "theology by one verse"? I reference as many scriptures as anyone on this forum, probably more.
You did not give a scripture for the statement that you made in this post. You misinterpret Cor 2:14.
You primarily reference 1 Cor 2:14, not understanding it.