- Human Free Will – This states that though man is fallen, he is not incapacitated by the sinful nature and can freely choose God. His will is not restricted and enslaved by his sinful nature.
- Conditional Election – God chose people for salvation based on His foreknowledge where God looks into the future to see who would respond to the gospel message.
- Universal Atonement – The position that Jesus bore the sin of everyone who ever lived.
- Resistible Grace – The teaching that the grace of God can be resisted and finally beaten so as to reject salvation in Christ.
- Fall from Grace – The Teaching that a person can fall from grace and lose his salvation.
5 Points of Arminianism
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Arminius taught that unaided by the Holy Spirit, no person is able to respond to God’s will.
For Arminius, God’s love was the determining initiator and arbiter of human destiny.
The Arminian five points are laid out as FACTS:
Freed by Grace (to Believe)
Atonement for All
Conditional Election
Total Depravity
Security in Christ
For Arminius, God’s love was the determining initiator and arbiter of human destiny.
The Arminian five points are laid out as FACTS:
Freed by Grace (to Believe)
Atonement for All
Conditional Election
Total Depravity
Security in Christ
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I don't like the first explanation, human free-will. Christ must draw everyone as it's impossible to freely know God.
I would also disagree with the second point, conditional election based on foreknowledge.
I agree with universal atonement, Jesus definitely gave His life for all. So anyone who calls on the name of Jesus will be saved.
Definitely agree with the fourth, resistible grace. You can resist prayer, resist church attendance, resist reading the scripture.
The Holy Spirit is gentle and the Spirit's influence can be resisted easily.
Strongly agree that people can fall away, it happens everyday of the week.
I would also disagree with the second point, conditional election based on foreknowledge.
I agree with universal atonement, Jesus definitely gave His life for all. So anyone who calls on the name of Jesus will be saved.
Definitely agree with the fourth, resistible grace. You can resist prayer, resist church attendance, resist reading the scripture.
The Holy Spirit is gentle and the Spirit's influence can be resisted easily.
Strongly agree that people can fall away, it happens everyday of the week.
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Molinism's roses reads a little differently .
R - Radical Depravity: Every aspect of our being is affected by the fall and renders us
incapable of saving ourselves or even wanting to be saved. This in lieu of total depravity.
O – Overcoming Grace: It is God’s persistent beckoning that overcomes our wicked obstinacy. This
is the alternative to irresistible grace. Every individual is subjected to this grace. Only those who God,
in His sovereignty, has created to allow themselves to be overcome by their own free choice will do so.
S – Sovereign Election: God desires the salvation of all, yet accentuates that our salvation is not based
on us choosing God, but God choosing us. An option as opposed to unconditional election. As stated
earlier, God decreed to actualize this world in which He knew of those who would freely come to Him.
And in so doing, elected not to actualize an alternate world in which we would not freely choose Him.
E – Eternal Life: Believers enjoy a transformed life that is preserved and we are given
a faith which will remain. Another way of regarding perserverance of the saints. Once
we are sealed by the Holy Spirit upon regeneration, we will not fall away.
S – Singular Redemption: Christ died sufficiently for every person, although efficiently only for
those who believe. This instead of the deterministic option of limited atonement. The blood of
Christ was shed for all of humanity. It serves as a pardon for the believer who has Christ’s
righteousness imputed to them. For the unbeliever, it will serve as an indictment. source
R - Radical Depravity: Every aspect of our being is affected by the fall and renders us
incapable of saving ourselves or even wanting to be saved. This in lieu of total depravity.
O – Overcoming Grace: It is God’s persistent beckoning that overcomes our wicked obstinacy. This
is the alternative to irresistible grace. Every individual is subjected to this grace. Only those who God,
in His sovereignty, has created to allow themselves to be overcome by their own free choice will do so.
S – Sovereign Election: God desires the salvation of all, yet accentuates that our salvation is not based
on us choosing God, but God choosing us. An option as opposed to unconditional election. As stated
earlier, God decreed to actualize this world in which He knew of those who would freely come to Him.
And in so doing, elected not to actualize an alternate world in which we would not freely choose Him.
E – Eternal Life: Believers enjoy a transformed life that is preserved and we are given
a faith which will remain. Another way of regarding perserverance of the saints. Once
we are sealed by the Holy Spirit upon regeneration, we will not fall away.
S – Singular Redemption: Christ died sufficiently for every person, although efficiently only for
those who believe. This instead of the deterministic option of limited atonement. The blood of
Christ was shed for all of humanity. It serves as a pardon for the believer who has Christ’s
righteousness imputed to them. For the unbeliever, it will serve as an indictment. source
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Molinism's roses reads a little differently .
R - Radical Depravity: Every aspect of our being is affected by the fall and renders us
incapable of saving ourselves or even wanting to be saved. This in lieu of total depravity.
O – Overcoming Grace: It is God’s persistent beckoning that overcomes our wicked obstinacy. This
is the alternative to irresistible grace. Every individual is subjected to this grace. Only those who God,
in His sovereignty, has created to allow themselves to be overcome by their own free choice will do so.
S – Sovereign Election: God desires the salvation of all, yet accentuates that our salvation is not based
on us choosing God, but God choosing us. An option as opposed to unconditional election. As stated
earlier, God decreed to actualize this world in which He knew of those who would freely come to Him.
And in so doing, elected not to actualize an alternate world in which we would not freely choose Him.
E – Eternal Life: Believers enjoy a transformed life that is preserved and we are given
a faith which will remain. Another way of regarding perserverance of the saints. Once
we are sealed by the Holy Spirit upon regeneration, we will not fall away.
S – Singular Redemption: Christ died sufficiently for every person, although efficiently only for
those who believe. This instead of the deterministic option of limited atonement. The blood of
Christ was shed for all of humanity. It serves as a pardon for the believer who has Christ’s
righteousness imputed to them. For the unbeliever, it will serve as an indictment. source
R - Radical Depravity: Every aspect of our being is affected by the fall and renders us
incapable of saving ourselves or even wanting to be saved. This in lieu of total depravity.
O – Overcoming Grace: It is God’s persistent beckoning that overcomes our wicked obstinacy. This
is the alternative to irresistible grace. Every individual is subjected to this grace. Only those who God,
in His sovereignty, has created to allow themselves to be overcome by their own free choice will do so.
S – Sovereign Election: God desires the salvation of all, yet accentuates that our salvation is not based
on us choosing God, but God choosing us. An option as opposed to unconditional election. As stated
earlier, God decreed to actualize this world in which He knew of those who would freely come to Him.
And in so doing, elected not to actualize an alternate world in which we would not freely choose Him.
E – Eternal Life: Believers enjoy a transformed life that is preserved and we are given
a faith which will remain. Another way of regarding perserverance of the saints. Once
we are sealed by the Holy Spirit upon regeneration, we will not fall away.
S – Singular Redemption: Christ died sufficiently for every person, although efficiently only for
those who believe. This instead of the deterministic option of limited atonement. The blood of
Christ was shed for all of humanity. It serves as a pardon for the believer who has Christ’s
righteousness imputed to them. For the unbeliever, it will serve as an indictment. source
I have to find a new flower I'm noticing a rift in the middle, the first "s.' This is the passage that speaks to me of what God's sovereign choice is:
Romans 9
Israel’s Unbelief
30What then will we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; 31but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. 32Why not? Because their pursuit was not by faith, but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, 33as it is written:
“See, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling
and a rock of offense;m
and the one who believes in Him
will never be put to shame.”n
so, back to the drawing board.
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Yeah.. the last point I don't agree with also. I'm neither arminian nor calvinist.
People tend to conflate osas with calvinism which annoys me. Calvinism isn't really osas.. because they will say converted people definitely will be faithful. So if some one believes they are saved but isn't showing it.. they will go to the ,
' never saved in the first place' line.
So it's only osas for people doing good works.. that's not really osas
People tend to conflate osas with calvinism which annoys me. Calvinism isn't really osas.. because they will say converted people definitely will be faithful. So if some one believes they are saved but isn't showing it.. they will go to the ,
' never saved in the first place' line.
So it's only osas for people doing good works.. that's not really osas
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What to do when I disagree with both calvinism and arminianism?
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