Really, how'd I miss that?! I'm pretty good at disagreeing with people. Shoot I'm gettin' slow in my old age.
3 Statements...Just True or False
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Really, how'd I miss that?! I'm pretty good at disagreeing with people. Shoot I'm gettin' slow in my old age.
It is hard to say without seeing body language, facial expressions, or tone of voice.
Nevertheless, it still stands as command even if some do it not in love.
Disagreements arise due to multiple reasons.
- Limited knowledge (we are finite beings who only hold so much information)
- Wrong application (Bad Hermeneutics)
- Bias (there is good bias towards truth or bad bias as in confirmation bias which is when a person gives more weight to evidence that confirms their beliefs and undervalues evidence that could disprove it.)
- Alternative motives (deception, pride, power, etc)
I appreciate that you have taken the time to respond. I purposefully designed the thread so what I believe isn't considered in anyone's answer so while I have no problem answering your questions in another thread, it would be counter to my goal here.
I realize that there are some who see a bias in the original statements themselves but I earnestly tried to negate that as well.
I don't know who said it but it's certainly true...you can please some of the people all of the time, and you can please all of the people some of the time. But you can never please all of the people all of the time.
My father always quotes an old Gospel singer who said " The older I get, the more people I'm letting into heaven". I think too often we think we have a job we don't have, and don't do the one we do have because we don't have the discernment to know the difference.
I'm more concerned about his bent toward antisemitism. He and Luther, and several other church fathers. But I won't derail a thread over it. Just a thought on this post.
your thinking to hard and seem to be stuck on calvinist view
Yes, the context is all are invited.
Yet only those who believe will recieve
so question number three states, whoever is given (those who see and believe john 6) will come and be given eternal life (will by no means be cast out) is true
I see and understand. I just try not to read a persons mind or intention.. If his intention is bad in the end it will show.. If not. and I accuse him, I have falsly accused..
Also. I will not understand what he is asking and most likely my response will show a lack of understanding. and I make myself look foolish
But, but... God did make him that way. Adam was of the natural world... That does not mean thatHi Mem, this is just a thought, but wouldn't "the other way around" lay the blame for Adam's moral corruption, evil and sin (as well ours) directly at God's feet, since "the other way around" would have to mean that God made him that way
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Adam was not responsible for the choice he made in exercising his will in opposition to God's.
That is not to say either, that God has not taken full responsibility for it.
Yep, that's the reason I skip a lot of threads. Seems I'm not near as bright as I thought I was. Figure it's better to keep quiet and not show my lack of understanding.
The right grace that brings salvation
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
Titus 2:11-15 KJV
the problem with the modern doctrine of grace today
“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”
Jude 1:4 KJV
when we have to deny what the lord said like for instance “ unless you repent your going to perish “ and we call that grace erasing what he said about it we’re removing this
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
The truth test of doctrine is of one can agree with Jesus and what he said about salvation and eternal life he said many things
We are by nature children of wrath and deserving of God's wrath before
being saved. Was Adam by nature deserving of wrath before he sinned? -
Exactly the same way Jesus can say this and many Christian’s won’t believe it
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3
Or this Jesus taught this multiple times and many Christians will not accept it
“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
Matthew 6:14-15 KJV
We are by nature children of wrath and deserving of God's wrath before
being saved. Was Adam by nature deserving of wrath before he sinned? -
(genesis 1-3)
“The man he made for glory , apart from sin and shame
to bear his glorious image , and praise his holy name
To live with him in Eden , eat from the tree of life
But then came there temptations , to Adam and his wife
“ Thou shalt not die! ‘twill make you wise “ , those subtle lies were said
Beguiled by the serpents snare , till man was surely dead
And so their eyes were opened , that knowledge now they knew
Good and evil , sin and death , those aweful things now true
then driven out from Eden , to live in toil and strife
until some day , along times way, deaths curse would take their life “
God did not make man this way following deception into sin did
“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. ( mans hear has been corrupted )
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.”
Genesis 6:5-6
obviously something went very wrong
from this
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth….And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.
Genesis 1:1- 31 KJV
To this
“And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.”
Genesis 6:7 KJV
What went wrong was man denying Gods word of life and accepting satans word of certain death regarding the commandment Gods word gave man dominion and sommans corruption ruined everything
3. All that are given to Jesus by the Father will come to Him and receive eternal life.
In my original response I said,
Leaving the door open for explanation. I agree with how you explain question three.