2 Timothy 3

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Never saw this, who is without sin? No, not one, according to our Savior, you, me, all of us while we are here.
As we forgive a repentant person, so we shall be forgiven.
best wishes:)(y):unsure::coffee:
 
4 years ago, federal investigators, no charges.
"All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God".
He has repented, we who are His Own can accept him in fellowship.
blessings:)(y)
 
I don’t see anyone opposing Moses!? The Law was fulfilled in Christ, when He died on the cross; He nailed it to the cross.
You can only have one covenant in effect at a time so we are all under the New Covenant.
In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law in contrast with saying that he came not to abolish it and he warned against relaxing the least part of it, so you should not interpret fulfilling the law is meaning the same thing as abolishing it or as relaxing the least part of it. Rather, “to fulfill the law” means “to cause God’s will (as made known by the law) to be obeyed as it should be” (NAS Greek Lexicon: pleroo), so Jesus fulfilled the law by teaching us how to correctly obey it. You should seek to understand what he meant in the way that his audience would have understood him rather than insert an event that his audience had no knowledge of that he made no allusion to. According to Galatians 5:14, anyone who has loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire law, so again it refers to correctly obeying it, moreover, it refers to something that countless people have done, not to something unique that Jesus did on the cross. In Galatians 6:2, bearing one another’s burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, which again refers to correctly obeying it, but does not mean that we no longer need to obey the Law of Christ.

In Matthew 27:37, they nailed a handwritten ordinance to Christ’s cross that announced the charge that was against him that he was the King of the Jews. This fits perfectly with the concept of a handwritten ordinance that listed the charges against us being nailed to Christ’s cross and with him dying in our place in order to pay the penalty for our sins but has nothing to do with nailing any laws to the cross. The reason why Jesus went to the cross was not in order to cause us to be free to do what God has revealed through His law to be sin, but just the opposite. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to free us from the Law of God but in order to free us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what he accomplished through the cross is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of Moses (Acts 21:20).

If we could only be under one covenant at a time, then new covenants would nullify the promises of old covenants that have already been ratified, but new covenants don’t do that (Galatians 3:16-19), so God’s covenants are eternally and cumulatively valid. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, so all of the things that God’s covenants teach us about him are eternally and cumulatively valid. For example, God’s righteousness is eternal (Psalms 119:142), therefore all of God’s righteous laws are also eternal (Psalms 119:160). The Mosaic Covenant is eternal (Exodus 31:14-17, Leviticus 24:8), so the only way that it can be replaced by the New Covenant is if it is cumulative with it. One thing can only make another thing obsolete to the extent that it has cumulative functionality, so a computer makes a typewriter obsolete but does not make a plow obsolete, which means that if the Nee Covenant involved something different that we not cumulative with the Mosaic Covenant, the. It could not make it obsolete. So the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law (Hebrews 8:10) plus it is cumulatively based on better promises and has a superior mediator (Hebrews 8:6).
 
In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law in contrast with saying that he came not to abolish it and he warned against relaxing the least part of it, so you should not interpret fulfilling the law is meaning the same thing as abolishing it or as relaxing the least part of it. Rather, “to fulfill the law” means “to cause God’s will (as made known by the law) to be obeyed as it should be” (NAS Greek Lexicon: pleroo), so Jesus fulfilled the law by teaching us how to correctly obey it. You should seek to understand what he meant in the way that his audience would have understood him rather than insert an event that his audience had no knowledge of that he made no allusion to. According to Galatians 5:14, anyone who has loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire law, so again it refers to correctly obeying it, moreover, it refers to something that countless people have done, not to something unique that Jesus did on the cross. In Galatians 6:2, bearing one another’s burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, which again refers to correctly obeying it, but does not mean that we no longer need to obey the Law of Christ.

In Matthew 27:37, they nailed a handwritten ordinance to Christ’s cross that announced the charge that was against him that he was the King of the Jews. This fits perfectly with the concept of a handwritten ordinance that listed the charges against us being nailed to Christ’s cross and with him dying in our place in order to pay the penalty for our sins but has nothing to do with nailing any laws to the cross. The reason why Jesus went to the cross was not in order to cause us to be free to do what God has revealed through His law to be sin, but just the opposite. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to free us from the Law of God but in order to free us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what he accomplished through the cross is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of Moses (Acts 21:20).

If we could only be under one covenant at a time, then new covenants would nullify the promises of old covenants that have already been ratified, but new covenants don’t do that (Galatians 3:16-19), so God’s covenants are eternally and cumulatively valid. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, so all of the things that God’s covenants teach us about him are eternally and cumulatively valid. For example, God’s righteousness is eternal (Psalms 119:142), therefore all of God’s righteous laws are also eternal (Psalms 119:160). The Mosaic Covenant is eternal (Exodus 31:14-17, Leviticus 24:8), so the only way that it can be replaced by the New Covenant is if it is cumulative with it. One thing can only make another thing obsolete to the extent that it has cumulative functionality, so a computer makes a typewriter obsolete but does not make a plow obsolete, which means that if the Nee Covenant involved something different that we not cumulative with the Mosaic Covenant, the. It could not make it obsolete. So the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law (Hebrews 8:10) plus it is cumulatively based on better promises and has a superior mediator (Hebrews 8:6).

I never said that Jesus abolished the Law! He fulfilled the Law, having nailed it to the cross.

You’re not understanding Scripture!! You made way too many fallacious comments in your long writing; too many to address all at once.

-"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"),"
Galatians 3:13 NKJV

"What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed (Jesus) should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator."
Galatians 3:19 NKJV

-"Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor."
Galatians 3:24-25 NKJV

-"Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he (Ishmael) who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he (Isaac) of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage (Law), which is Hagar— for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman." So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free."
Galatians 4:21-26, 28-31 NKJV

-"Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace."
Galatians 5:1, 4 NKJV

-"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law."
Galatians 5:18 NKJV

-And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 2:13–14
 
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I never said that Jesus abolished the Law! He fulfilled the Law, having nailed it to the cross.
I didn't say that you did, but that you should not interpret fulfilling the law as meaning the same thing as abolishing it or as relaxing the least part of it. If Jesus had nailed the Law of God to the cross, then that would mean that he abolished it and relaxed much more than the least part of it, but thankfully Jesus did not do that.

-"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"),"
Galatians 3:13 NKJV
Do you think that the purpose of God's law is to lead us to be cursed or away from being cursed? In Deuteronomy 28, it lists the blessing of the law of living in obedience to it and the curse of the law for lawlessness, so being set free from the curse of law is being freed to enjoy the blessing of the law. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to free us from the law but in order to free us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works.

"What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed (Jesus) should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator."
Galatians 3:19 NKJV
Do you think that Jesus came as the promised seed to curse us by causing us to be free to become workers of lawlessness and to bless us by turning us from our lawlessness?

-"Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor."
Galatians 3:24-25 NKJV
Someone who disregarded everything that their tutor taught them after their purpose has been fulfilled would be missing the whole point of a tutor. In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the law leads us to Christ because it was graciously given in order to teach us how to know him, but does not lead us to him so that we can then reject everything that he taught and return to being workers of lawlessness.

In Galatians 3:26-29, every aspect of being children of God, through faith, in Christ, and being children of Abraham is directed connected with being workers of lawfulness. In 1 John 3:4-10, those who are not doers of righteousness in obedience to the Law of God are not children of God. In Romans 3:31, Paul said that our faith upholds the Law of God. In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked. In John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doers of the same works as him.

-"Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he (Ishmael) who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he (Isaac) of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage (Law), which is Hagar— for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman." So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free."
Galatians 4:21-26, 28-31 NKJV

-"Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
If God saved the Israelites out of bondage in Egypt in order to put them under bondage to His law, then it would be for bondage that God sets us free, however, Galatians 5:1 says that it is for freedom that God sets us free. In Psalms 119:142, the Law of God is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is the transgression of the Law of God that puts us into bondage while the truth sets us free, so you are not correctly identifying what Paul was speaking against. It shouldn't even make sense to in you to interpret a servant of God in a way that turns him against obeying God. Moreover, Galatians 4 should be interpreted in light of the fact that the Law of God came through the line of the free woman.

You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace."
Galatians 5:1, 4 NKJV
God wanted His people to repent and to return to obedience to His law all throughout the Bible and even Christ began his ministry with that Gospel message (Matthew 4:15-23), so it would be absurd to interpret Galatians 5:4 as Paul warning us against doing that and saying that we will be cut off from Christ if we repent and believe the Gospel of Christ.

-"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law."
Galatians 5:18 NKJV
In Galatians 5:16-23, Paul contrasted the desires of the flesh with the desires of the Spirit and everything that he listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Law of God while all of the fruits of the Spirit are aspects of God's character that His law was graciously given in order to teach us how to embody. The desire of the flesh causing us not to do the good that we want to do is how Paul described his struggle with the law of sin in Romans 7-8, which the Law of the Spirit has free us from, so it is the law of sin that we are not under when we are led by the Spirit, not the Law of God. The Law of God was given by God and the Spirit is God, so it would be contradictory to interpret that verse as referring to the Law of God as if we are not led by God when we are led by God.

-And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 2:13–14
Again, the handwriting of requirements that is against us does not refer to any of God's law but to a list of our transgressions of it that was nailed to his cross so that he died in our place to pay the penalty for our sins. The Bible does not use the Greek word "dogma" to refer to the Law of God. Again, Titus 2:14 doesn't say that Jesus gave himself to free us from the Law of God, but in order to free us from all lawlessness.
 
Never saw this, who is without sin? No, not one, according to our Savior, you, me, all of us while we are here.
As we forgive a repentant person, so we shall be forgiven.
best wishes:)(y):unsure::coffee:
https://www.christianpost.com/news/perry-stone-wont-face-charges-in-sexual-misconduct-case.html

Prominent Tennessee-based evangelist Perry Stone, founder of Perry Stone Ministries, will not face charges after a grand jury declined to file any charges against him in a sexual misconduct case.

The case was presented to a Bradley County grand jury in March, which determined that no charges would be filed, local news station WDEF first reported. Stephen Crump, the 10th Judicial District Attorney General, said the allegations still concerned him, and the case file would remain open.


What this means is they refused to try him until they gather more evidence against him. If they tried him now, then the double jeapardy law would stop them from trying him again.
They left the investigation OPEN because they know he's guilty.
I'm looking for an audio file showing Stone cussing over the investigation.
 
I didn't say that you did, but that you should not interpret fulfilling the law as meaning the same thing as abolishing it or as relaxing the least part of it. If Jesus had nailed the Law of God to the cross, then that would mean that he abolished it and relaxed much more than the least part of it, but thankfully Jesus did not do that.


Do you think that the purpose of God's law is to lead us to be cursed or away from being cursed? In Deuteronomy 28, it lists the blessing of the law of living in obedience to it and the curse of the law for lawlessness, so being set free from the curse of law is being freed to enjoy the blessing of the law. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to free us from the law but in order to free us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works.


Do you think that Jesus came as the promised seed to curse us by causing us to be free to become workers of lawlessness and to bless us by turning us from our lawlessness?


Someone who disregarded everything that their tutor taught them after their purpose has been fulfilled would be missing the whole point of a tutor. In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the law leads us to Christ because it was graciously given in order to teach us how to know him, but does not lead us to him so that we can then reject everything that he taught and return to being workers of lawlessness.

In Galatians 3:26-29, every aspect of being children of God, through faith, in Christ, and being children of Abraham is directed connected with being workers of lawfulness. In 1 John 3:4-10, those who are not doers of righteousness in obedience to the Law of God are not children of God. In Romans 3:31, Paul said that our faith upholds the Law of God. In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked. In John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doers of the same works as him.


If God saved the Israelites out of bondage in Egypt in order to put them under bondage to His law, then it would be for bondage that God sets us free, however, Galatians 5:1 says that it is for freedom that God sets us free. In Psalms 119:142, the Law of God is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is the transgression of the Law of God that puts us into bondage while the truth sets us free, so you are not correctly identifying what Paul was speaking against. It shouldn't even make sense to in you to interpret a servant of God in a way that turns him against obeying God. Moreover, Galatians 4 should be interpreted in light of the fact that the Law of God came through the line of the free woman.


God wanted His people to repent and to return to obedience to His law all throughout the Bible and even Christ began his ministry with that Gospel message (Matthew 4:15-23), so it would be absurd to interpret Galatians 5:4 as Paul warning us against doing that and saying that we will be cut off from Christ if we repent and believe the Gospel of Christ.


In Galatians 5:16-23, Paul contrasted the desires of the flesh with the desires of the Spirit and everything that he listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Law of God while all of the fruits of the Spirit are aspects of God's character that His law was graciously given in order to teach us how to embody. The desire of the flesh causing us not to do the good that we want to do is how Paul described his struggle with the law of sin in Romans 7-8, which the Law of the Spirit has free us from, so it is the law of sin that we are not under when we are led by the Spirit, not the Law of God. The Law of God was given by God and the Spirit is God, so it would be contradictory to interpret that verse as referring to the Law of God as if we are not led by God when we are led by God.


Again, the handwriting of requirements that is against us does not refer to any of God's law but to a list of our transgressions of it that was nailed to his cross so that he died in our place to pay the penalty for our sins. The Bible does not use the Greek word "dogma" to refer to the Law of God. Again, Titus 2:14 doesn't say that Jesus gave himself to free us from the Law of God, but in order to free us from all lawlessness.

Jesus "relaxed" all laws other than the law of love, which fulfills God's moral will (John 13:34-35, Gal. 5:6).
The astute among us will note that only six of the ten commandments and none of the levitical laws were reaffirmed in the NT.
 
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Perry Stone's a professional Christian. He depends on income from his books, merchandise and TV appearances. Because of this he has to keep coming up with new teachings to attract an audience. Unfortunately, to do this, he has to go outside the bounds of sound doctrine. I used to watch him on TBN until it finally dawned on me, this guy is clueless. The mere fact that he's willing to compromise to the extent that he's a regular on TBN should be a big warning sign.
 
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Audio clip of Stone talking to some of his security people(not AI). Warning: some bad language.


Thankful I take no joy in disparaging a brother in Christ, wish all were so inclined.
Anything you and I have done is equal to anything anyone else has done, all our sins are repugnant to Him. God doesn't grade on the curve.
Hope and pray we all stay in repentance.
best wishes
 
Perry Stone's a professional Christian. He depends on income from his books, merchandise and TV appearances. Because of this he has to keep coming up with new teachings to attract an audience. Unfortunately, to do this, he has to go outside the bounds of sound doctrine. I used to watch him on TBN until it finally dawned on me, this guy is clueless. The mere fact that he's willing to compromise to the extent that he's a regular on TBN should be a big warning sign.
 
I never said that Jesus abolished the Law! He fulfilled the Law, having nailed it to the cross.

You’re not understanding Scripture!! You made way too many fallacious comments in your long writing; too many to address all at once.

-"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"),"
Galatians 3:13 NKJV

"What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed (Jesus) should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator."
Galatians 3:19 NKJV

-"Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor."
Galatians 3:24-25 NKJV

-"Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he (Ishmael) who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he (Isaac) of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage (Law), which is Hagar— for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman." So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free."
Galatians 4:21-26, 28-31 NKJV

-"Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace."
Galatians 5:1, 4 NKJV

-"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law."
Galatians 5:18 NKJV

-And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 2:13–14

Again, fallacious comments! You only adhere to choice verses and ignore the rest.

You’re not even understanding what you’re reading. You say you shouldn’t ignore the Tutor who taught you, but the verse states we are no longer under that Tutor (The Law); you’re saying just the opposite of what God says!

-"Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor."
Galatians 3:24-25 NKJV

“You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5‬:‭4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

All things were created through Jesus. Jesus Christ is the Messiah, our God, High Priest, and Savior, and sits at the right hand of God the Father.
 
Thankful I take no joy in disparaging a brother in Christ, wish all were so inclined.
Anything you and I have done is equal to anything anyone else has done, all our sins are repugnant to Him. God doesn't grade on the curve.
Hope and pray we all stay in repentance.
best wishes
Luke 12:48
New American Standard Bible
but the one who did not know it, and committed acts deserving of a beating, will receive only a few blows.
From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.
Even if a false teacher wasn't called, he will receive a false teacher's reward.
Everyone will be judged for what they have done, whether good or bad.
 
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Thankful I take no joy in disparaging a brother in Christ, wish all were so inclined.
Anything you and I have done is equal to anything anyone else has done, all our sins are repugnant to Him. God doesn't grade on the curve.
Hope and pray we all stay in repentance.
best wishes
"Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness." - James 3:1 ESV
"Do not admit a charge against an elder except on the evidence of two or three witnesses. As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear." - I Tim 5:19-20 ESV

I agree with you that no one should take joy in any of this.