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Man you are on a mission to prove that Gods power is weak and He can't keep us, that we can be snatched out of His hand, that He gives us to the Son just for some to turn around and walk away Him from later. I'm sorry man, but this seems the most important thing in your life to prove, the...

I disagree 100%, of course. I believe Jesus in Mat. 24 when He tells the disciples strait up that ALL THOSE THINGS would happen before that generation passed away and I reject the timelines, charts, dispensations, and gurus that you have to add to scripture to get to your point of view. I think...

No you didn't, none of those states clearly someone who was saved by God lost that gift, not one of them, so to say you listed 19 verses that prove we can lose salvation is NOT true. I don't want to say it's a lie, because you believe they do say that, but the FACT of the matter is not one of...

So basically, you're saying that the gates of hell prevail ALL over His word, ALL the time, right? If Gods word is so susceptible to corruption, then how can we even trust the KJV? You know there are mistakes in it too right?

This is very true, even the Hebrews 6 verse does not clearly state that a truly saved person lost their salvation, I don't believe we can "barely taste" salvation. We're born again or not. I have come to see that a LOT of this debate hinges on what the person thinks of the power of God. If a...

And guess what else "teacher"? No body is making the argument that God does that. That is your own close minded, biggoted, looney toon version of what you've been told about a belief, with your own warped personal bias sprayed on top. That is the biggest problem with talking to you and the CDSC...

So you're arguing that we do get glory? Or are you just completely dodging my VERY clearly stated main point? You focus on the 1 off sidebar point, but completely ignore the main point of my comment. My answer to your rebuttal- "I don't care what YOU think the rightly divided interpratation is"...

Doesn't it say something more like the one who is saved WILL endure to the end. The assumption that our endurance is of our own will and not a blessing from God that we point to when recognized for this endurance to say "this was ALL Him and by His power did I endure, ALL glory to Him". I don't...

So it's all up to the believers ability to "follow" well enough then? That is what you are saying, that "salvation" is really just being put on holy probation to test our ability to "follow" well enough. Sounds very works based to me.

You are the winner!!! I am Canada can go sit in the corner and think about how he messed up so bad.

72 degrees and Sunny.

It is possible we both know Him, of course, I hope I was clear in saying that I KNOW we cannot know other peoples salvation condition. However, I was stating that your understanding of the Spirit, and the things that the Spirit opens our eyes to the second we are born again, seems very off. They...

Does it fit with a God who knows His creations intimately and knows how to communicate His messages and teachings in ways we as men can understand with our limitations. To take this to mean God is limited is just silliness to me, but the thing is I KNOW Him, I'm connected to Him every second of...

False. God knowing the choices we will make, before we make them, does NOT mean God made us do them. This assertion is just so wrong it should be abandoned right away. This is the kind of false assertion is what the whole CDSC ideology is built on. These straw man assertions that you put forth...

I think this is why they have to falsely label us and make their own "team security blanket", to come behind them to affirm everything false that they just said. They cannot and/or will not deal with what is said in good faith. It's the exact same in politics, and any other subject people engage...

I wouldn't know, I'm not a "Calvi", so you keep fighting your imaginary enemies here, because you're too coward to seek out real self proclaiming Calvinist to "battle". You are delusional and as disrespectful as anyone I've ever met always accusing others with lies. Wicked. Is it because you...

Because you replied to me and started talking about Calvinites, that's why. I think you might have confused yourself here.

This is why it's impossible to have a productive conversation or debate with you guys, you just make up and throw out stupid stuff like this and act as if, #1 I'm a Calvinite, which I'm not so the fact you keep saying this to me is as pointless and irrelivent as all get out, and #2 you act like...

All the above honestly, but none of that is how I KNEW I was saved. I knew I was saved when He resurrected my spirit and reconnected it to Him, the Spitit. That was how I KNEW I was saved. Then the rest of this stuff followed as a result of being saved. I would have never done any of these...

Who are you caling a Calvinite, and why should I care what they understand or think? Are you arguing against prophesy? You must serve a weak petty God that's just not sure. I serve the God of the Bible that knows the future.