Search results

einfach: God says He hardened Pharoah's heart. you say He didn't.

intolerance will not be tolerated, haha only, tolerance has been confused with other things, like agreement, approval, or consent.

that's what i've got! i can still jump out the window - i have the agency, and the blame for the result would rest on me - but it ain't gonna accomplish the goal of flight.

i can't by my free will jump out a window and fly. seems obvious that this will is not truly free, but has constraints.

the Bible is very clear that God does not author evil, and i believe that. the worldview given by it is that we have all been, as it were, poisoned, through the sin of Adam and Eve - we were in them when they did this ((c.f.e. Hebrews 7:9-10)). the earth - dust - was cursed for Adam's sake, and...

pretty sure I've quoted 1 Timothy 2:3-4 more than once in this thread. but the reality of that is not going to make me attempt to re-write clear scripture. it instead forces me to accept that scripture says what it says. if you don't like what you think the implications of John 10 and Exodus 4...

at the last plague, instead of saying 'your God' he says, 'the LORD' - Exodus 10:24 God tells us, all these things took place the way they did so Egypt would know He is God. and we read later that news spread all over Canaan, and they feared Him. i hope, as Pharoah was dying in the Reed Sea...

it's kind of helpful to understand some of the history here. there really is no such thing as 'calvanism' - all of his theological positions were written down earlier by Augustine, and all those things, Augustine wrote because he was arguing against what he saw as heresy. the so called 5 points...

how can they be condemned for being unrepentant if they have no obligation to repent? here, specifically, of repentance from unbelief - because "who does not believe, is condemned already"

i simply don't believe 'applying the fact of His love' to scripture means rejecting scripture. His word says multiple times that He hardened the heart of Pharoah and of his army. this isn't a translation issue; it's not a debateable point. it's fact. for you to say He didn't? when He clearly...

Proverbs 25:4 Take away the dross from silver, and it will go to the silversmith for jewelry.

i believe God loves Pharoah, and also that God hardened Pharoah's heart.

when scripture explicitly and clearly says one thing, and you contend it means exactly the opposite of what it says, that is not "applying the love of Christ" to it. that is rejecting scripture in favor of your imagination, exchanging the truth for a lie.

... making Romans 3:11 specifically about the Jew, who promised to seek Him, but didn't.

if the Jews had kept the oath they made, to seek Him continually, then they would not be equally condemned with those who had not made that oath. it stands, "no one seeks Him" so He also said, "I will be found by a people who did not look for Me" - and the gospel is first to the Jew, then the...

i didn't say the concept was alien. but the scriptures you put indicate a certain population sought Him in short terms and made oaths to seek Him. the Psalm and it's quotation in Romans aren't nullified by this; the Greek indicates continual action, not one-time-in-past or...

and God told this to Moses before he ever spoke to Pharoah... this is no simple story. it blows up both sides of the free-will/sovereignty debate! we humans are so vain to think we have this all sorted :p

when my cat was dying, i set aside my presuppositions about a healthy diet, and gave him all his favorite foods. when it was clear my friend addicted to meth wasn't quitting, i didn't force him into a position of choosing to stop talking to me vs. breaking his habit; i just kept in touch...

but reinterpreting in the light of the revation of Christ means seeing it testify of Him in every place. it doesn't mean thinking that when God literally says "I will harden Pharoah's heart" it means God will never harden anyone's heart under any circumstances. that's rewriting scripture to...

none of these verses say there is a people who have a lifestyle of seeking Him. they all speak of oaths to seek Him - subsequently broken - and the blessings of seeking Him - subsequently abandoned. evidently when scripture says no one seeks Him, it is not speaking about having for one moment...