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    Loss of salvation???

    And I don’t know why you keep talking about a covenant with Adam that is literally not there. Again, verse by verse; start with verse 4 and you will see he is talking about Judah, not Adam. Verse 6 says, “…I desire mercy, not SACRIFICE; and the knowledge of God more than BURNT OFFERINGS.”...
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    There is no mention of babies being baptized in the New Testament. All evidence is contrary to that. Men and women were baptized-Acts 8. Babies are never mentioned as being baptized. Why should they? Jesus said the little children were already in the kingdom of heaven and holds them up as...
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    This is wrong on so many levels. For one thing, Peter is remembering what happened to the apostles ( including himself) in Acts 2 on the day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit was MIRACULOUSLY poured out only 2 times in the New Testament—once on the JEWS in Acts 2 and then in Acts 10 on the...
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    I I think you need to read Hosea 6 again. That passage is clearly talking about the old law of Moses that God had made with the children Israel. Yes, it was a covenant but not with Adam —with the children of Israel in the days ofvMoses. In fact, Moses says in Deuteronomy 5:3 that God did...
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    Loss of salvation???

    One reason would be because the epistles were letters written to Christian’s who had already been baptized.. Romans 1:7-to all the “SAINTS”in Rome. Written to Christian’s. 1 & 2 Corinthians 1:2- to the CHURCH of God at Corinth. Galations 1:2- to the CHURCHES of Galatia. Ephesians 1:1 to...
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    Loss of salvation???

    No, I have been discussing with YOU not her. But what about what WE HAVE discussed ? What about those chapters in Genesis that do not even mention the word covenant? What about scripture for your statement that God and Jesus have a covenant? I think it is clear that you have no scripture...
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    Notice to whom these promises of salvation and eternal life are made. John 6:35- the promise is made to those who “COME TO ME” and BELIEVE. (Jesus). Verse 37- those who COME TO Jesus. VERSE 40- those who believe on Jesus have everlasting life. Who are these people who believe in Jesus and...
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    No, I do not. Again the word covenant is not mentioned in those chapters. So how do you know that God made a covenant if it’s not stated somewhere? I think you are PRESUMING TO ASSUME. God tells us “If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God. 1 Peter 4:11. I googled the...
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    Mark 16:16 does not contradict any other scripture in the New Testament. In fact, Mark 16:16 SUPPORTS every other scripture on belief and baptism in the New Testament. Even if this scripture was not in the New Testanent, I could still prove by scripture that faith and baptism are both...
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    Loss of salvation???

    I don’t see any mention of God entering into a covenant with Adam” in Genesis 3; the word “covenant” is not even in Genesis 3 or mentioned in Genesis 3. That is purely your speculation. You do not have any scripture from the word of God that says that God entered into a covenant with Adam any...
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    Loss of salvation???

    There is not one thing in the story of the thief on the cross that even “hints” of Holy Spirit baptism. Have you read what Holy Spirit baptism was like in the New Testament? It only happened twice in the New Testament. Once in Acts 2 and once in Acts 10. It was an “outpouring”. The people...
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    Loss of salvation???

    I still do not see any scripture that says Gid entered into a covenant with Jesus. You did a lot I I applaud your study of baptism. I have always contended on this site that the only way to know the “truth” on any Bible subject is to study ALL God has to say on that subject. And that...
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    This discussion reminds me of another passage that may go along with this in meaning, and that is Acts 22:16 where Ananias tells Saul to “Arise, and be baptized and wash away your sins, CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD. Isn’t this the same thing as making an “appeal” as in 1 Peter 3? We are...
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    Loss of salvation???

    Is there a scripture that says this? Or is this just your opinion? The book of Hebrews contrasts the new covenant which is the New Testament with the old covenant or Old Tesrament. It says Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant. Chaoters 8 and 10 both state that God made a new covenant...
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    In review of this, let me add, WE ALSO pledge our allegiance to Christ when we obey Him in baptism. We make a “covenant” with Him; to follow Him, as a Disciple and a servant; to do His will and obey His commands. We pledge our life to Him. We make Him our Lord and King.
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    Loss of salvation???

    You are correct. My comment about “face value” WAS specific to most verses and not “general” for the entire Bible. Thank you. I appreciate your commen.
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    Loss of salvation???

    I think you mis-interpreted my meaning. I was not talking about study helps; I was talking about using the Greek language or quoting outside sources or favorite scholars, or some obscure meaning to change the obvious meaning or intent of the verse; to try to “get around” a scripture that does...
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    Loss of salvation???

    The Bible makes no such distinction as you are making. The word of God (overall) is simple to understand. Take it at face value. God is not trying to trick us with some kind of difficult, hidden meaning that requires lexicons and a knowledge of the Greek language In order to understand it...
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    Loss of salvation???

    Yes. Acts 19 tells of some disciples who were RE- baptized because they were baptized (in water) with the wrong baptism.