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  1. Cee

    Not By Works

    Like I said, he was against the disciples, but you and I both know... breathing threats about murder is not murdering them. He brought letters so they might be bound. The point is Scripture doesn't say Paul killed them. And even if he did, lots of people in the OT killed people. "I say all this...
  2. Cee

    Not By Works

    And here is proof that the Law Paul is talking about is not the "law of their traditions". As some believe. It is the "Law written on stones". 2 Co 3:7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of...
  3. Cee

    Not By Works

    And sure Paul WAS against the believers, but that doesn't mean he killed them like you stated. And my examples of David, Samuel, and others are very relevant to this even if you want to believe they are not. And yes Jesus did say that, but that doesn't mean that Paul is talking about the "Law...
  4. Cee

    Not By Works

    I understand your objective here. If you can prove that Paul killed believers then you can say that the Law he said is obsolete wasn't the Law given in the OT. But have you forgotten that David was blameless to the Law and he killed people? Or even Elijah? Or Samuel? These men all killed...
  5. Cee

    Not By Works

    In Christ, are you a priest and a king? You are now the temple of God. Or did you forget that?
  6. Cee

    Not By Works

    I understand your objective here. If you can prove that Paul killed believers then you can say that the Law he said is obsolete wasn't the Law given in the OT. But have you forgotten that David was blameless to the Law and he killed people? Or even Elijah? Or Samuel? These men all killed...
  7. Cee

    Not By Works

    It's funny to me, when you say I am incorrect and then post 3 Scriptures out of context to prove it. But I digress... First off Matt 22:37-40 was spoken to the Jews, you'll notice this is never repeated to Gentiles. Why? Because Jesus came to save the Jews! But they needed to know they were...
  8. Cee

    Not By Works

    You're missing it! Just like the Jews did. You can't make yourself perfect. The Law was to lead you to the realization you need HIM. Not to give you guidelines to try to make it yourself. That's exactly why the Jews created their own little sub-laws because they tried to perfect themselves...
  9. Cee

    Not By Works

    Notice the Scripture you just posted. Lawlessness leads to the love of many growing cold... what is the Law for Christians? (Law of Christ) Believe on Him. And to love one another as *He* has loved us. These are His commands. Exactly what has been said over and over.
  10. Cee

    Not By Works

    Sure. Leviticus 19:27 Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard. Leviticus 21:5 They shall not make bald patches on their heads, nor shave off the edges of their beards, nor make any cuts on their body. And in case you don't have a beard, here's another...
  11. Cee

    Not By Works

    I'm sorry but your handling of Scripture is completely out of context. You are seriously making Scripture say what you want. You say Col 2 is false... because it says "not according to Messiah", but that doesn't mean what you're saying it does. It's saying Messiah (Lord) leads us now. He is a...
  12. Cee

    Not By Works

    I think a lot of people would be better off if the OT wasn't included with the NT. It seems like it's difficult for people to reconcile. It's a completely 100% a different covenant. And in fact, the OT has multiple covenants in it with different types of people. Yes, God doesn't change, but His...
  13. Cee

    Not By Works

    Sure bro.. but you also take Scriptures out of context. Jesus saying doing what I command you, but then putting the "commands" of Jesus in whatever you want them to be. Instead of letting the letter tell you directly. I'll tell you what they are in John. 1) Believe on the One He sent 2) Love...
  14. Cee

    Not By Works

    It's difficult to provide you with Scriptures because it seems to me you're looking for Scriptures that connect the Sabbath to Jesus besides Hebrews 4. And I went through all the Sabbaton instances and didn't find them. However, there is plenty of Scriptures about peace and rest that connect...
  15. Cee

    Not By Works

    I agree we rest from our labors when we are dead. But that doesn't mean we don't have spiritual rest available now. In fact, you said in your post to me that we rest from our works and enter into His works for our life, which I agreed with. If you take this Scriptural literal, that would appear...
  16. Cee

    Not By Works

    Yes, they are. Especially when Scripture is so clear, right? I mean Jesus Himself says no greater love is there than this... but let’s ignore that for our own definitions.
  17. Cee

    Not By Works

    Yes it is. People refuse to walk in to His rest. They think they have to do something to earn it. They have to observe this or that. And they ignore the simple Scriptures that refute them.
  18. Cee

    Not By Works

    You ignored the obvious verse. A man who lays down His life for His friends is the greatest example of love. This is how Jesus loved His disciples.
  19. Cee

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    I figured out why your posts are so long. And nothing against you, but you reply to arguments that you create. I didn’t say righteousness wasn’t taught in the OT. I said a greater requirement is placed on believers because Jesus is dealing with our hearts now. And you’re seriously jumping over...
  20. Cee

    Not By Works

    Hi Preston! Thanks for the question. If we only follow God so we can be saved, is that true from the heart obedience? If I am fully free... what will I choose? The younger son ended up with the pigs, but soon came to his senses. A lot of people are so afraid to let believers have freedom...