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Is Job 38:4-7 a reference to the second creation, or to the first? You need to be very careful with your answer, because it could really demonstrate an error in your entire thesis.

You are failing to address the obvious elephant in the room: In the original creation account (the first heaven and the first earth), where were the angels? Heb. 1:10 is speaking of the first heaven and the first earth, hence, the word "perish." Where were the angels? The second creation is...

This is simple: Head out of the clouds, and back onto the text. Where are the angels, and what is their role? Remember, (your words) "the truth is very simple." You are "taddling" on yourself, tsk, tsk. What do the words say?

People have got to remember that angels are the product of the verb ("created") in Col. 1:16-17, hence, the "powers," "rulers," "authorities." What do you think those "powers," "rulers," and "authorities" are exactly, if not the angelic hosts? They were not "passively" present at their...

A "possibility" that is nowhere warranted in the text. It is a "possibility" only of the imagination. It's time we get our heads out of the clouds, and back into reality: What does the text say? That's the issue. No one has been able to prove that angels were present prior to Gen. 1:1, and...

The question is not even if there are created beings that have the power to create. The question is, whose creation is Genesis'? And this was the whole point of Post 161, 141, 142, 143. Creation does not belong to angels, nor were they involved in the process of "creation." And whatever...

I am very familiar with the apocrypha. Perhaps it would be of help for you to cite those "apocryphal scriptures" that you're alluding to. You won't find them. And maybe you should take sight of the fact that I already cited the "apocryphal scriptures" in support of my position. Rewind...

I haven't went off on the deep end. The point is: It is you who has gone off on the deep end, because not only have I used the ancient Jewish sources, but they are all on my side. And so is Augustine. And so are those early Church writers, which I referenced earlier. They are all in...

He absolutely is God.

You should really pop in sometime, he's a cool guy and I think you'd really appreciate what he has to say. He has a really solid way of teaching. He's actually a Presbyterian minister, but if you're not Presbyterian, don't let that get in the way. I'm not a Presby either, but can still take...

Of course he fell before Gen. 3, but I don't see how that requires his (Satan's) existence being before Gen. 1:1, especially when all the ancient Jewish sources seem to suggest the angelic hosts were created during some time during the 7-Day spectrum. Taken in unison with the Christian sources...

I tell you a really good person to ask: Anthony Rogers He is very astute in the Psalms. He does have a channel on YouTube, which if you sub to then you might catch a live stream. He is really thorough. Ousias1 is his channel name. Give him a looksy, you may catch me there some time.

It's not my problem, it's yours. You are not exegeting the text, it's that simple. All you have to do is read the words on the pages without reading your theology into it. The simple point is: The "heavens" (plural) are a "dwelling," which God formed (Ps. 104:3-5). They did not exist prior...

Technically, "universe" is not in the text either. Is just says, "earth" or "world." The inhabited earth. God is self-existing, and is not bound to time, space, or matter. He is eternal and self-existing. He was there before He "laid the beams to His upper chambers" (Ps. 104:3-5). Created...

What do you mean by, "strangeness"?

No one is denying angels existed prior to the foundations of the earth. My post was against those suggesting that they have existence prior to the foundations of the heavens. Creation of earth was a Day 4 event. The creation of heaven was a Day 1 event. You have no historical records that...

You said, "those verses." Which "verses"? I listed a lot. Keep in mind that Job 38:7 is specifically about the earth's creation. There is no mention of the creation of heaven there. Can you find the word, "heaven" in the text? It is simply saying that angels existed prior to "the earth,"...

No, the "truth is," you clearly do not know the language, so stop butchering it in front that are saturated in it every day. Do you understand how Greek tenses work? Do you know the difference between a dative and a genitive? Let's take a peak back at Mark 12:36, since it was after all, a...

You do not realize the pickle you just got yourself into by suggesting that Gen. 1:2 is a "renewal" process. Because that is the very thing Paul attributes to Christ in opposition to angels, when he says in Col. 1:16-17, Notice that the verb for "created" is used twice, but in different...

Also, one other thing that I think needs to be pointed out. Zechariah 3 is actually alluded to in Revelation, and depicts Christ as the one who has the "seven eyes." Does Zechariah define that one as Michael?