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  1. williamjordan

    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    Yes, it does answer the question. It acknowledges the Father as the "one God," but also acknowledges Christ as the "one Lord" in its Jewish historical context, as all the surrounding OT allusions in 1 Cor. 8-10 make clear. The problem is simple: You have a defunct view of the term, "Lord" and...
  2. williamjordan

    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    For the same reason I gave back in Post #55 on this same thread: Post #55
  3. williamjordan

    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    Who said Jesus didn't pray to the Father? He did pray to the Father (a second person that understands the human language in that He is able to answer prayer), not some counterpart in heaven who is secretly Himself. There are no examples in Scripture where a person prays to themselves. Prayer...
  4. williamjordan

    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    Does that mean "we" (like Christ, who is the "image of the invisible God") are God the Father? How do you not connect the dots with John 14:9, a text you use to identify Christ as "the Father"? Is anyone home? Image bearers of God (as Christ, the second Adam was and is) do not mean they are...
  5. williamjordan

    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    Does your spirit talk to your soul? Does your "physical body" talk to your spirit? Does your spirit "intercede" to your soul? You're using the "human experience" to define what is and what is not a "person." But you don't use the "human experience" as an example for your own defunct...
  6. williamjordan

    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    Easy: This one (and the Other associated texts listed in the post).
  7. williamjordan

    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    There are considerable problems here. Why did you not consider Gen. 1:26, just one verse prior to the passage you’re commenting on, which places the word “likeness” in juxtaposition to “image”? Neither of these two terms are used in Ezekiel 1:5, therefore, why bring it up? Genesis 1:26-28...
  8. williamjordan

    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    This is really quite incoherent. The term πρόσωπον ("person") isn't applied to most figures in the NT or OT. But how do we determine if they are "persons"? Easy. They can talk. To each other. And can understand each other. And have a mind. And have a will. And never are they confused...
  9. williamjordan

    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    I'd have to go back and read through the back and forth, but you should take the comments at face value. What I think Webers.Home is getting at, is that the OT routinely identifies the mysterious figure known as "the Angel of the LORD," as Yhwh. And since this "Angel of the LORD" is said to be...
  10. williamjordan

    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    Is it me, or do you have Webers.Home argument backwards? It seems you are accusing Webers.Home of the very thing he/she is arguing against. Webers.Home is referring to Jehovah's Witnesses, who routinely "make a big deal" out of a particular variation of the divine name ("Jehovah"), and accuse...
  11. williamjordan

    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    That's funny, I don't recall any "philosophical ramblings," but simply pointed out the OT allusions contained in 1 Corinthians, which you allegedly "disagree" with. There's nothing "philosophical" about it. This only gets philosophical when you try to make mince meat out of what Paul says. It...
  12. williamjordan

    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    Nor are people that talk to themselves. There is no legitimate way to interpret a text and say that it is the "heavenly" and the "earthly" counterparts interacting with one another, as if they are two distinct persons, when in those very contexts, are themselves filled with examples of...
  13. williamjordan

    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    I emplore you to rewatch the video I shared with you earlier. And this time, instead of honing in on the key word, “Yute” (Joe Pecci), try directing your attention to the conversation between Austin Pendleton and Maury Chaykin, in the first segment (here). I think that their discussion may be...
  14. williamjordan

    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    So what you're saying is, Paul put all that work in for "nothing"? Is that right? He made all these allusions with the intent on it being "just for nothing," according to you. What's a Yute? Listen closely, and you may catch the irony!
  15. williamjordan

    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    I want to address the both of “Yutes,” Bob-Carabbio and RestlessWanderer. I think you're both due for a good dousing. To answer the question, I think it of significance to open your Bibles to 1 Cor. 8:6, where the Shema is clearly in reference (1 Cor. 8:4). Some have taken 1 Cor. 8:6 and...
  16. williamjordan

    The Trinity.

    So (according to the last sentence in Post 298) you give thanks to Father, Son, Holy Spirit... and then you throw in, "your Bible" (but what you really mean here, is your interpretation of "the Bible," hence you put yourself on equal footing with Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). But then the...
  17. williamjordan

    The Trinity.

    Show the love.
  18. williamjordan

    The Trinity.

    You mean, aloophants.
  19. williamjordan

    The Trinity.

    I do want to point out one more thing. You stated, "All other beings are created by Christ." When in fact, the actual text (1:16) is speaking about God creating "in" and "through" Christ. Allow me to explain this in a way that may be more useful. Col. 1:16 ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ ἐκτίσθη τὰ πάντα ἐν...
  20. williamjordan

    The Trinity.

    euphemisms*