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This is a major reason Pretrib should be rejected. All of your arguments lack precision. 1) You say God's wrath over the whole earth leaves no place for Christians to escape--therefore, you say, they must have left to heaven. Trouble is, Pretribbers admit there are Tribulation saints. If all...

yes agreed with all of it we’re not all appointed to that type of suffering like beheadings or even to live in a generation like the first Christian generation . That suffered so much persecution and tribulation But all throughout there pops up mass persecutions every few hundred years and then...

I agree. The Gospel of Christ was taken from the nation of Israel and given to the Roman Kingdom, which ultimately became the European home of Christianity. But like Israel, European Christianity has gone South, and genuine Christians are suffering rejection by the very nations that once called...

Well, my take on it is a little different, but I like your response regardless. I feel a lot of commonality with it. I really hate being different in my views, but I just have to say what I think the Lord has taught me. It's taken me many years, and listening to many positions, to come to where...

After 40 years you would think you would be open to biblical discussion, even if it runs against your pet theology? That's what's happened to me. It's humbling when God shows me that I'm not all I thought I was cracked up to be. I've held to many of the popular positions in eschatology, and was...

You're predicating your statement on the assumption that there is such a thing as a "7 years Tribulation," which is highly debatable. What we can agree on is that there will be a 3.5 year period of uncontested Antichristian rule before Armageddon begins to develop. There is question in my mind...

I continue to have a huge problem getting Christians to acknowledge the obvious, that in the Olivet Discourse Jesus focused not on the 2nd Coming as much as on the judgment to come against Israel in his own generation, and that Israel would go through a period of "great tribulation" from 70 AD...

I think the Afghan thing is largely geo-political, and not some huge conspiracy. It is of no value for the US to control Afghanistan, if the people there cannot manage it for themselves, regardless of the wealth there. Even if we lose a lot of weaponry, at least we're not having to make more to...

That is correct, TMS. Futurism, if you want to call it that, actually existed in the Early Church. I believe that most of the Church Fathers believed in a future Antichrist, whether he would come out of the Roman Empire, or out of some future reorganization of the same. Preterism was born in...

The problem is, you read the book of Revelation like an itinerary of events that God wants us to figure out like a puzzle. That is insulting to Deity, in my opinion. The 70th Week took place immediately after the 69th Week, which was 2000 years ago. The things to be fulfilled in the 70th Week...

The following is *not* Legalism: Phil 2.12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, Those who want to claim that anything we *do* is evil don't know what they're...

That's not particularly impressive, largely because citing your credentials in place of making a reasonable argument is the worst form of copout. I was talking about the definition of "Legalism," and you resort to trying to impress me with how many forums you've been on. Get back with me when...

I'm not contesting your point as much as adding to it. "Apostasy" is a kind of violent overthrow of divine law. It implies a religious order is in place, and then abandoned--often violently. I've shared this on a number of forums, and it's amazing to me how many go quiet and refuse to respond...

Legalism, in its truest sense, is turning away from Christ to be self-justified apart from Christ. It is not to be defined as "Christian imperfection." It is not to be defined as exercising our free will in choosing Christ as our Savior, nor is it to be defined as choosing to obey Christ after...

I hate to keep harping on this but the Bible does not equate the Reign of Antichrist precisely with the Great Tribulation. In Luke 21 the Great Tribulation is the punishment of Israel in the NT era, which affects both believing and unbelieving Jews in different ways. And since the Gospel has now...

I find you to be a very dishonest, troubled person! And I'm not sure if I can help you with anything, with such a bad spirit? You certainly can't help me with your accusing spirit! To think you ask me things like "what do I mean to live in Christ?" To know how "I walk as Jesus walked?" At the...

In other words, you divert away from the fact you've slandered me, claiming I wasn't sharing the word of God when I was? You won't sleep well... You seem to think only you get to ask the questions, when you refuse to answer questions put to you. You deny that which is plain to all who read our...

In all honesty, I think you're a slanderer, and a troublemaker. Please prove you're otherwise, and apologize for misrepresenting me? You've said I didn't refer to Jesus, or to his Word. You said I was spouting heresy that you were correcting. And when I provide proof that I was sharing biblical...

You claim to know Christ and beg to know how we walk as Jesus walked? You're not serious. You're a criticizer, a fault-finder, looking for problems where there are none. This isn't "loving your brother"--it's slander, which is against the word of God. I've answered all your questions. And every...

If you can't understand my reference to a simple biblical verse, how can you accuse me of abusing it? I'm just telling you that I was referring to the Scriptures. And you said I wasn't doing that. And now you're changing the subject.