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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    The Bible speaks of that point in time when a person begins to believe in Jesus and is saved. First we must be persuaded by the Spirit that we are hopeless sinners. This process is what the Bible labels CONVICTION which is from the Greek word 8And when He comes, He will CONVICT the world in...
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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    There you go. You just did the very thing I said you do, you mentions something WE NEED TO DO.. not only did you say we need to do it, You said we need to continue to do it. No the Bible says we must not only believe but CONTINUE to believe. …22 But now He has reconciled you by Christ’s...
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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    Faith is not just intellectually accepting abstract truth propositions. As Jesus taught it FAITH was act of the mind and heart. More than it is something must act upon. This is why we are commanded to respond to the truth by REPENTING of sin and BELIEVING the gospel. This command which was...
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    Will The Actual Calvinists Here Please Stand Up?

    For the first 400+ years of history all orthodox Christians affirmed that mean are capable of making moral choices and that they become a part of God's plan by their consent and willingness to submit to the Spirit. Nowadays many call that WORKS although in the Bible Paul's use of the word WORKS...
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    If sin is not imputed without the law, how can some claim that babies and children die because Adam's sin is imputed to them?

    Romans 5:14–15 (ESV) 14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if MANY died through one man’s trespass, MUCH MORE have the grace...
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    If sin is not imputed without the law, how can some claim that babies and children die because Adam's sin is imputed to them?

    The Eastern Orthodox, unlike their Roman Catholic counterparts, have mixed feelings about Augustine. While they admire his early apologetic work they believe he deviated from the truth to a great degree and distorted the gospel. The Eastern Church still maintains a belief in FREEWILL and DIVINE...
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    If sin is not imputed without the law, how can some claim that babies and children die because Adam's sin is imputed to them?

    When the most ancient theologians and apologists taught that mankind possessed the faculty of self-determination (also called also Free Will) they were not asserting that: "mankind EXALTED HIMSELF to be the CENTER of Creation in place of Christ its true King." This statement, cited in both OT...
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    If sin is not imputed without the law, how can some claim that babies and children die because Adam's sin is imputed to them?

    Anyone who consistently follows Augustinian theology believes that the CONSEQUENCES of Adam's sin - physical death, and moral corruption are transmitted (or passed down or imputed) to every decedent of Adam. Augustine taught that the MODE of this transmission is via SEXUAL DESIRE or...
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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    All USER @JimiSurvivor has been showing me is he believes he has to maintain his own salvation by doing something. Same things as you have been showing me. You neglected to mention that the "thing" I said we must CONTINUE to "Do" is to keep believing in Jesus and continuing in the gospel. The...
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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    Although I still believe our redemption has a BEGINNING point, a subsequent period of GROWTH as well as a future time of CONSUMMATION I now think 2 Corinthians 1:10 is not the place to anchor that belief since it could just as easily be referring to the life of Paul. However, the scriptures do...
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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    i did not want to sin. I left the church because my wife kicked me out of my house for another man. And I felt like a failure and judged because I was in a legalistic church where it was forbidden to leave the marraige. they expected me to fight for it.. and I was done. so I left. That is an...
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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    I never assume that an individual Christian's belief in Eternal Security leads them automatically to sin. I have known many who believe OSAS who live holy loving lives before God. I have also known seen many others who really do use OSAS as a license to sin. When I see that I pray they will...
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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    people stop believing in a person when they person continuously lets them down. we do not just trust someone then decide to not trust them A lot of people are deceived into thinking someone else has betrayed them. Even if this is not true they might accept it as fact. I have seen this happen...
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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    When did I ever say "it is all me?"
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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    Yes breaking the seal would mean judgment. What I draw from from that is that, while we must LOVE the King we must also FEAR Him. 12Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now even more in my absence, continue to work out your salvation with FEAR AND...
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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    1 Corinthians 10 is the NT interpretation of what happened under Moses. "Looking upon the snake hanging on the pole" was a single event in Israel's journey. This was not the only time God turned them away from destruction. You have taken this one incident to be the whole journey yet Paul said...
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    The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

    I agree with much of what you are saying as well. I like your attempt to get to the heart of the scriptures