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    Not By Works

    I agree with your position, and with VCO, and with Eternally Grateful, and certain others as stated, (as far as I understand it from what I’ve read.)
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    I used to have the same view of OSAS that Phoneman does. For a long time. Then I started reading and listening to Reformed and Puritans and realized that I simply did not correctly understand their position . I'm not a fan of OSAS terminology, but I agree with the position you present. There...
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    Edit...Eternally Grateful, I know you know this, but this is simply my musings on the matter....
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    God works in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure. Phillipians 2:13
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    Faith without works is dead, but it is not works that makes faith alive. A dead faith cannot be brought to life by good works any more than a dead body can raise itself. Living faith is a product of the work of the Holy Spirit. Dead faith is lifeless, because it is fleshly and not of the...
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    Not of him who wills or runs, but of God who shows mercy!
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    ABSOLUTELY!
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    Welcome to the forums!
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    Those He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son. And those He predestinated, He also called, and those He called, He also justified; and those whom He justified, He also glorified. Romans 8:30
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    Amen
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    True. But Abraham was justified long before he was circumcised. For us, we are justified by faith and our hearts are circumcised by the Spirit of God indwelling us and uniting us with the work of Christ. We are justified in order to be conformed to the image of Christ
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    our righteous works have nothing to do with our salvation, but salvation has everything to do with righteous works. Ephesians 2:10
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    Of course. I base my soul’s security on Romans 4:5. Romans 4:5 is the front door into the house. God wants us to Feel free to make the whole house our dwelling place. God’s grace is a bountiful palace. There’s so many rich blessings that lie behind the first door, so many other doors that lead...
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    Not to mention, no matter how good we are, we miss the Mark by infinite light years. It is not of him that wills or runs, but of God who shows mercy. See also the Parable of the Pharisee and the Publican. No man may boast in God’s presence.
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    When did I say I believe that? God saved me before I did any work whatsoever. God keeps me in spite of myself. If our works had any part in our salvation, we would split hell wide open, because all of our works are at least in part tainted by sin. Christ sanctifies, makes acceptable our...
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    Where does the Bible say that the intent or purpose of good works is that we go around and say “ this one is saved, and this one is not”? James words are intended to be used in self examination, not judging others. As Paul said “examine YOURSELVES...”
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    I’m not the one confusing cause and effect. You think that mine and Eternal’s argument, which are basically the same, are circular, because you do not realize that grace is the cause of salvation, faith is the instrument, and a changed life is the effect. Now a cause (salvation) produced an...
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    The argument was clear, sir. You chose to add/read into it what wasn’t stated.
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    You are confusing the cause and it’s effects. You are saying if a cause produces an effect, then it follows that the effect must have produced the cause. That is a fallacious argument.
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    But you added to what I said, therefore my argument itself is not circular, only what you read into it is. I never said what you posted here or anywhere else at any time.