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The reformers do not believe nor see God as a puppet master nor do they blame sin on God. Unfortunately that is how many see it and yet it is not true.

Sorry a typo it is Jn. 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

His own would be all of those whom he has planned to save.

Jn. 15:9 tells us who does the choosing. Ah yes the famous Joshua 24:15, it says nothing of the sort of choosing God, but rather other gods.

Jn. 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. So in the context here we would have a contradiction.

Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Deut. 26:18 And the LORD hath avouched thee this day to be his peculiar people, as he hath promised thee, and that thou shouldest keep all his...

Pray tell what do you do with that of Mt. 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Who are his people, the Jews ?

God says he would like for all to repent, all to call on his name, all to believe....etc but the problem is that not all or everybody in this world will do these things. Only all, namely that of his chosen people whom that may ever be and wherever they may be will do these things when God...

No I'm not missing the point I understand what you are conveying. Maybe the problem lies in how you are using the word all. Like I mentioned before and the more I read it over and over again how you and others are using this word I'm convinced that you are implying all. All, as in give me all...

Ok, Christ would love for all, all in the world to believe. But we know from the Bible that all will not believe, so now who are the all ? It would have to be all of God's elect or better said all that he has chosen in him and so with that in mind who are the all that God has in view when he...

The problem I am seeing is that everybody is using the word all as in all and not conditional wise. Its just like when one sees the word baptism, many will automatically associate it with water baptism when in reality it may not have anything to do with that of water baptism.

If the word "all" means "all" then we have a serious problem when we read of the wheat and tares and the sheep and goats. Then we also have to look at the "rapture" as it pertains in that some are left behind, in other words they never became saved and yet it seem that would be a contradiction...

Oh it is most defiantly talking about baptismal water, but not in the sense of a physical baptism but rather a spiritual baptism. Because water in the Bible can represent the word of God. [Jn. 4:10-11, Jn. 7:38] So in this case it is saying you need to be baptized by the word of God because it...

But how can they hear knowing the fact that everybody before they have ever become saved are typified as a dead corpse with no life in them. Even yourself have admitted we were dead before salvation.

You have a very logical point and yet the Bible declares that everyone is dead liken unto a dead corpse. But God has a reason for all of this albeit none of us understand. [Is. 55:9, Rom. 9:21, Deut. 29:29]

Sure God would love for all to repent but that is not going to happen. So those who have not died yet, do you not believe that God already knows who his sheep are and the goats ? I mean after all he is the Alpha and Omega...etc So if you do not think it was God's divine will and or purpose on...

You are missing out on the point in that God already knows the sheep and the goats. In other words he is saving some and condemning others. As in the same events that have happened it is his divine will and or purpose that all of this transpired albeit you and I think differently.

to exercise or better said to exercise one's faith or choose to believe cannot happen one it would be a work that we do and two we are dead, dead as in a dead corpse no life no nothing, physical no but spiritual yes.

So if you disciple some one you know for a fact that they are sheep and yet before anybody becomes saved are they not goats ?