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Personally think the idea we have free will is wrong but we do have some agency and choice. To my mind only God himself has free will, it isn't just making a choice but being able to fulfill it too. There are approximately 8.2 billion people alive currently, often in very close proximity. Free...

Agree, i'm pretty new to the forum too and Magenta also said free will pops up regularly in posts. Should have used forum search before posting this, very likely i'd have posted something else instead. Oh well, lesson learned :cool:

We're on the same page for sure, excellent comment.

Can understand why you think that but us not having free will does not mean we're controlled at all. Have explained many times through this post that so many having competing choice/agency, is why free will is impossible. We're really scratch each other backists, every dog has its day sort of...

Do you have a link to it? Actually, don't think you have been that heavy duty on comments in this post, should be able to find it if you don't. We might both be the type to really appreciate comments that float our boat, even if we often disagree with another user? Variety is the spice of...

"Thirdly even when they ate they did not eat out of their freewill, Eve had to be beguiled into eating it by the serpent" Beautifully expressed, nice one!

It's still the making a choice thing GWH, seems he created them knowing the pain and grief for Him and us that would ensue. He didn't create automatons but humans have insufficient personal power to exert free will, even "dictators" need enablers. However, God knows all and everything is to his...

Eh? That's just lukewarm air i'm afraid. They do believe in free will, albeit for themselves only and often are enabled by quislings to exert it.

That could be misinterpreted, meant whatever test i take, the result will be i'm a very high end thinking perceiver, who knows new information can render current information obsolete. So i'm cosy changing my mind when that is clearly the case, wrongheadedness is far worse than being wrong at...

No but i'm very logical, a renaissance type rational.

Lovely to say i really appreciate and agree with that comment. Cheers! :)

Undue or not, free will is impossible to exert due to influence from external forces. Even dictators need enablers and usually come to a sticky end.

Aww! Blessings and cheers GaryA, lovely to meet someone else who's a conspiracy realist as well as theorist! :cool:

Thankfully, i'm the relaxed type who's tough as old boots too. However realised, my comments about buying the graphics cards could be misinterpreted. Old people are better money managers and usually not strapped for cash like young people, however, few of us are awash with cash. Those two...

Will do the through the night meal for my beautiful little cat soon and get some sleep. Time for one more quick game of chess.

Cheers for saying, i'd better get used to stuff like that then. :p

Wow! Something i can fully agree with, that's good. Like i said, civilised debate/discussion floats my boat, i LOATHE the attempted gotcha stuff there's been so much of today. This part is an edit, forgot to mention i have read a scripture which says not to dwell on sinful thoughts as they can...

Thanks SJ but thought it unnecessary as people here know? Not being facetious, just making a point about dwelling on sinful actions leading to actual deeds.

I won't say for certain it wasn't helping me you had in mind, but think it unlikely. It would have been better if you settled for discussing our opinions in a friendly manner, rather than trying to force your opinion on me.