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No one said angels were always saved. But regarding humans Jesus did say He would lose NONE who was given to Him. So either He's losing them or they were never in Him. False teachers aren't believers. Jesus says false teachers are hypocrites. WOLVES in Sheep's clothing. Not Sheep. Christians...

In order to understand the context of these passages we must go back a verse: 2 Peter 2:19, ESV: "They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved." First off, this is talking about false teachers that promise...

I hear you, but I do think at one point we must accept we are united with Christ. He is the Vine and we are His branches apart from Him we can do nothing. It is faith that we are saved that manifests the fruit of being united to Him. Paul's motivation in saying examine yourself is to remind them...

Scripture is clear that OUR FAITH is how we overcome the world. Faith alone is the victory. Faith alone pleases God. That's why it's eternally secure. Those who endure are the ones who truly believe. Several times we are told this in Scripture. Those who leave were never with us, some fall away...

This is more about what the faith is, that's why it explains what it looks like to abandon the faith - following the wrong teachings. Also please notice here that it's actually about limiting what we can do in Christ. Not about having too much freedom.

I believe grace correctly understood empowers holiness & following the Lord. Like you said they are not mutually exclusive.

I believe this comes from an incomplete understanding of what the gospel truly is. Many are taught to "get people saved", but Scripture teaches they are to confess Him as Lord and thus shall be saved. I do believe there ARE saved people who do not follow the Lord completely, we are all in...

I agree that everyone's relationship with God is uniquely beautiful. While also holding in tension that God says draw near to Him and He will draw near to us. And Paul says earnestly desire higher gifts. We also have it's the glory of kings to search out a matter. So I don't want to dismiss the...

I've truly enjoyed this discussion with you all today. I love being able to discuss the deeper things of God. And I have greater clarity myself on the importance of being lead by Holy Spirit and seeing that thread through all of the OT.

Here's Holy Spirit filled Stephen's summation of Israel: Acts 7:51“You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you. 52Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand...

I believe its truer to say they followed Moses, but not God. They listened to Moses and later when Jesus spoke to them. Who was their focus? Moses. John 5:45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope. This goes back to...

I have a hard time believing you actually believe the things you say when they so flatly deny Scripture.

I agree. Here's another Scripture: Numbers 14:24 But my servant Caleb, because he has a different spirit and has followed me fully, I will bring into the land into which he went, and his descendants shall possess it. And here's where it all went down. Numbers 14:6And Joshua the son of Nun and...

Well put. Yes, this is actually why the Early church around 100+ AC created so many "standards of conduct" which later formed into RCC. Because they wanted to make it difficult for people to be a Christian to ensure they truly believed and wouldn't fall away. However, it is the power of God's...

Cool, so then we don't need to try to get people to fear they will lose their salvation. Or is He not able to keep His people? BTW: Scripture also teaches God didn't give us a spirit of fear. And that perfect love casts out fear. So maybe that OT Scripture is saying something different than it...

The context is teaching that Christ is the only sacrifice for sin. If look for another, there will be none found.

It's intriguing to me that we believe God supplies things like the joy, grace, and freedom of the Lord, but we believe we have to supply the fear of the Lord.

You are pulling Scriptures out of context again, but in answer to your question, no Paul didn't think that because the goal isn't to be saved. Wrong mindset. It is to KNOW GOD. Paul did know he was always saved, but that didn't lead him to carry on like always because he was dead to those former...

Grace is scandalous isn't it. This was exactly what Paul expected from people when he explained grace. Here's his answer: Romans 6:1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3Do you not know that all of us...

Religion's logic: You need to fear you can lose your eternal security so that you will continue to keep faith in Jesus for your eternal security.