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  1. randyk

    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    I agree that the Resurrection is distinct, in a sense, from the Rapture. It is part of the same event, and yet separate, since those who are seized/raptured are those who are "alive and remain," while those who are "in their graves" are simply brought out of their graves. I don't distinguish...
  2. randyk

    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    Well, I have a certain agreement with Preterists and with Dispensationalists both. I do believe that when Jesus spoke of the "Great Tribulation" he was speaking of what began in the 1st century with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. But then the trouble was only beginning for the Jewish...
  3. randyk

    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    Yes, the inconsistency of their view leaves me shaking my head. Fact: the Revelation speaks of the persecution of believers in Christ, ie Christians. That means Christians are here. Their claim that Christians "can't be here" then falls apart, as I see it. Thank you.
  4. randyk

    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    As in the days before the Flood, men were oblivious to the judgment that was coming. The same exists today. In Noah's day, there were very few who believed in Noah's testimony. So also, in our day very few believe that judgment is coming upon the world connected to the 2nd Coming. We both...
  5. randyk

    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    If you say so....
  6. randyk

    The Rapture Event

    The vision indicates that the 144,000 are with the Lamb on Mt. Zion. We do not *clearly* see what that means, whether it is taking place "during the Tribulation,* or who the 144,000 are, symbolic or real? In my view, this is anything but "clear!" Go ahead and take a shot at what you *think* it...
  7. randyk

    The Rapture Event

    You sound very hard-hearted in your response. "Forget Dispensationalism?" It is a major player in interpreting these things. "It is a clear fact?" No, it isn't. Visions that do not say what you're saying does not make *your opinion* a "clear fact." But if you're unwilling to debate, and are...
  8. randyk

    The Rapture Event

    I've had this argument many times before, and I still think it's ludicrous. Consult any dictionary or encycloopedia, and you will find there is a reality called "Christian nations," whether they represent good, doctrinally-orthodox peoples or not. When God chose Israel He knew what He would...
  9. randyk

    The Rapture Event

    No, I apologize if I'm not very clear. Dispensationalism tends to see a "7 years period of Great Tribulation* as being the time when Israel is turned back to God. By contrast, my non-Dispensationalist view sees a *3.5 year period* in which Israel's rebellion is judged and brought to an end. It...
  10. randyk

    The Rapture Event

    Well, there isn't just one single Postrib perspective on this. My own perspective does not interpret the things you mention the way you do. Just as the plagues that come upon the world in the last days destroy only a third of the world, so there will lbe many who survive until the Coming of the...
  11. randyk

    The Rapture Event

    Yes, Dispensationalism has a special focus on the Jews in the last times. In my Postrib view, the Jews are in fact dealt with--only a little later. They go through the troubles of the "Great Tribulation" period, as do all nations. But when Christ returns he will return to the Jewish People, to...
  12. randyk

    Israel's Final Deliverance

    I guess we have a disagreement then. Scholars disagree on this.
  13. randyk

    Israel's Final Deliverance

    So, you've just contradicted yourself! You said "there never was a promise to physical Israel," and now you say there was "at Sinai" and "through the Law." The people were kept apart from God, with the exception of Moses, for the purpose of holiness. This is something we all need to...
  14. randyk

    Israel's Final Deliverance

    Actually, I think too much leeway has been given to Muslims on the issue of "Israel."
  15. randyk

    Israel's Final Deliverance

    Peter was writing to Jewish believers. The call to the Israeli *nation* still applies, in my theology. There was also a call to other "nations," which also applies literally. The promise God made to Abraham concerning "nations" was intended to convey a political and social sense of...
  16. randyk

    Israel's Final Deliverance

    I fully recognize that Replacement Theology adherents view things differently than Dispensationalists and Premillennialists who believe in a future Israel. I'm not using RT as a term of disparagement or insult--it is only for convenience. The importance is not in the word "replacement" but...
  17. randyk

    Israel's Final Deliverance

    How we interpret biblical prophecy is critically important when considering whether Zechariah's prophecy in ch. 12-14 is about our world today. You are acting as if Replacement Theology is the default position for all Christians. It isn't. Both Dispensationalists and non-Dispensationalists...
  18. randyk

    Israel's Final Deliverance

    Yes, same thing. If you're defending Aaron's position, the same applies. Your view that the Bible is to be "spiritually applied" is your personal view--not an established fact. Well, yes the Bible is spiritual revelation. But that doesn't mean it should not be literally applied or interpreted...
  19. randyk

    Israel's Final Deliverance

    It's not about "categories"--it's about dealing with what I said. I said that the nations, generally, are opposed to Israel, and are not doing enough to oppose Iran's "attack" on Israel. You then insert that Israel itself is against Israel?? Nobody is denying the spiritual war that goes on...
  20. randyk

    Israel's Final Deliverance

    You appeared to make the claim that the prophecy about the Euphrates River was allegory. And you indicated that allegories should not be interspersed with true stories. How can you deny you said this?