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yes, I agree. I was mocking j.p.t. , taking a verse that says that " if you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth '. and completely ignore the believe part, and focus on confession, turning it into a work. then you have fan trying to convince us that salvation by belief really...

how many times a day do I have to confess in order to be saved? is it the same from one day to the next? do I have to confess more on the Sabbath? just wondering.....

all right, Jesus laid fourth the ultimate standards on the sermon on the mount. at the end , He said " you shall be perfect, as your Heavenly Father is perfect. God does not accept blemished sacrifices . so, do you keep those standards every hour of every day? no. then, you are not...

sorry fran, I have already played this game with you ( and won, you got banned the first time ), not playing again. our obeying is the result of salvation, not a cause.

what is the Gospel? believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. so to believe is to obey.

just more ellen white s.d.a. propaganda. nothing to see here.

bill engvall- " here's your sign '; old song, perfect fit for this thread.

I wish guys like you would just say what you mean, and not treat us like school kids...……..

a wall would bring it to an all-time low.

I honestly can't see any way this can end anytime soon. the shutdown is trump's only leverage to try to get what his base wants, while the dems have demonized the wall so much, if they approve it, all their snowflake followers will lose their minds....

they trust Sabbath/ Law keeping for salvation. as lightbearer keeps sighting vines's translation, keep in mind William vines made statements that " human tampering " had marred Scripture. sounds like he could have had an agenda when he wrote his translations....

but you are disobeying the One you love. God the Father said of the Son " hear Him " . ( mount of transfiguration ). God said this of the Son in the presence of Moses ( the law ) and Elijah ( the Prophets ). this experience elevates and separates the Words in Red over all other Scripture...

so, the Sermon on the mount is NOT the ultimate standard for the Christ followers ? o.k. then, what ever. and , as usual, all you ellen white disciples use a logical fallacy. " I do not keep the Sabbath to be saved, I do so because it is a good thing to do " " it would be a sin to not obey'...

to him who knows to do good and not do so, to him it is sin. sin is way more than law and command keeping. and gentiles were never right. sin exists today. you see, when Jesus finished the Sermon on the Mount. he said " you shall be perfect .... ). so, you see, the actual definition of sin...

Adam did not have the Torah. Adam and Eve had 1 command, and we know what it was.. and they could not even do that, yet you and the other judeaizers think you can keep the entire Law of Moses well enough to be saved by it. silliness.

we are all born sinners, inheriting Adam's sin nature. ( all are dead in Adam ). after Adam and Eve sinned, what did God Do. he killed an animal and made skin coverings for them. what is the Blood of Christ? atonement and covering. so, there you go. no Law or Sabbath involved.

digging deep means " keep redefining words until they mean what fran says they mean ". right ?? right ??. if you recall, you were " digging deep " when you got banned.

well, since you will not accept the meaning of " believe", maybe you should not be criticizing others on language...

they keep trying to present Sabbath keeping as a " optional requirement ". there is no such thing as an optional requirement . it's either all Christ or no entry into the Kingdom.

we are to fulfill the righteous intent of the Law, not keep the letter. we are to manifest the fruits of the Sprit. the letter kills, the Sprit gives life.