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so, now we are off grains and back to fruit. o.k., if you plant grape seeds now, today, you will not have grapes this year, maybe next year, depending on the weather. if you plant a young vine, you might have grapes this fall. either way, if you plant today, you will harvest nothing tomorrow...

" bout 6- months for it to grow. so, a believer has 6-7 months to get sanctified?? then what. once again, you and you time obsession..... just judging and sinning away, not even caring

you your self said that your aim is to keep the instructions on the Sermon on the Mount, yet you at times fall short of hat goal> that is called sin- missing the mark, falling short of a standard, knowing to do good and not doing so... and, that is not dooming anything, it is calling sin what...

ahh, the judgemental legalistic fruit expert is back. wheat also does not grow overnight. but, when you get proved wrong on fruit, jump to grain. so, what's next? root vegetables ? ( they take time to grow too........)

yes since you brought it up, do you keep the standards and precepts laid out in the Sermon on the Mount, 24/7, without fail? yes or no.

I have a problem with you ignoring word definitions, only using the greek when you want, then calling it a " philosophy " when it defines a word in a way that you do not like, you refusing to admit you are the former peterjens,.... you really do not want to go down the road of " I have a...

that is spot on!! nailed it!!

it comes down to this- these are private companies , but they offer public platforms. a t t is a private company, but they cannot refuse phone and internet to someone because of their political and religious groups. is that not a fair point?

see, all I said was " we are called to be holy, blameless and pure, but we need to use the standards that the Bible sets forth to see if we do or not", and you throw out all this. why can't you just agree to the simple reality that we are all human and we all make mistakes.???? get out of your...

I agree with this. however, while we are called to be blameless, holy and pure, we need to acknowledge when we fall short of that. and we know this by using the standards that the Bible lays out, without changing them. and that includes the definition of the words that compose Scripture.

you are a sinner. I am a sinner. there is not 1 human being who does no sin. if you use the proper definition of sin, you would know this. you say you are not a sinless perfectionist. ( you used to be ). so, you are either a sinless and perfect or a sinner. there is no 3rd category.

in case, you missed it, I answered you question- yes, we are to obey. you did not tell me your point.

yes it is right to obey. your point??

maybe you could explain.....

no, you are not all ears. I have already told you today- it is NOT about the verses. it is about the WORDS in the verses, and their meanings, a lot of which you deny. you cannot properly identify sin while at the same time ignoring the definition of sin. keep moving the goalpost all you want...

how can you repent of something when you do not recognize the definition of the thing that you are repenting of?

I am not speaking against obedience. we are all to obey. but, we have to be truthful about when we stumble. in order to do so, we have to recognize the meanings of words , so that we know honestly if we are obeying or not. what I am saying is this- put yourself under authority of the Bible...

it s not about the verses, you keep changing the subject, it is the words that the verses are composed of and their definitions ( which you deny). words have definitions. you can quote them all you want, but if you deny the definitions of the words, then your quoting them is hollow and empty.

God spoke words to humans. humans wrote them down. they words have meanings. we need to recognize what these words means. you refuse to do this. until you do, all your claims about following Jesus, walking as he walked , are hollow and empty.

once again, how can you claim to follow Jesus when you refuse to properly define sin?? this is like saying you obey traffic laws but you do not know what they are.....