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  1. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    You say that there "He doesn't say a word about going back to heaven with Him." So let's pick apart the scripture. "In my Father's house are many mansions" The Father's house is without a doubt in heaven. Would you not agree? "if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place...
  2. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    You're welcome! Below is what I have been using for years: https://biblehub.com/ Go to a book and chose a verse, then click on "parallel." This will allow you to see the same verse for every major translation. Then click on "Lexicon" and it will list the Greek words and their meanings and...
  3. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    I got it from Rev.3:10 from the Interlinear. The Greek word "ek" is translated as "out of" or "out from," i.e. I will keep you out of or out from, the hour of trail that is coming upon the whole inhabited world. Because you have kept the word of My patient endurance, I also will keep you out...
  4. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    I think that there will be a lot of those who had received the Lord, studied His word and will have gone back into the world, living according to the sinful nature. When they see the church gone, then they will realize what has happened and will realize that because they were not ready and...
  5. Ahwatukee

    Prophesying Forbidden

    Personal prophecies would be something that is not already found in scripture, i.e. something new. And, yes, we are the church. Anyone who is a true believer in Christ belongs to the church. Just because we are on-line and not in a building designated as a church, doesn't mean that we are not...
  6. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    I completely agree with what you are saying, as I have been saying the same thing myself for years. Anyone who is believing and teaching that God is going to protect His church on the earth during the time of His wrath, has not understood the severity and magnitude of the seals, trumpets and...
  7. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    Your claim above is your error! Because you do indeed need to take a ride on the circular highway (bring in the all related scriptures) in order to come to a right conclusion. That God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments must take place prior to the Lord returning to the earth...
  8. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    You are correct, we will be with Jesus from that point forward. In the scripture that you posted above, the dead in Christ rise first in their immortal and glorified bodies After that the believers who are still alive will be changed immortal and glorified (I Cor.15:51-53) and will be caught...
  9. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    I just did in the post that you responded to, which is the gathering of the church described in John 14:1-3, I Cor.15:51-53 and I Thess.4:16-17. The other gathering is found in Matt.24:30-31 when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, where at which time, He sends His angels out to gather...
  10. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    Rev.19:6-8 reveals the bride/church being at the wedding of the Lamb as taking place in heaven. This is supported by the fact that in verse 14, the bride with her fine line, is seen to be following the Lord out of heaven to Armageddon. Then there is also the following: "They (beast and ten...
  11. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    Good day Hevosmies! It is important for us to not pigeonhole words or phrases. That said, the trumpet in 1Th. 4:16 is a trumpet to call up the church, where as the great trumpet in Matt.24:31, is a signal for the angels to go throughout the earth and gather the saints who will have made it...
  12. Ahwatukee

    Hello

    Greetings and Welcome, Bananalegs!
  13. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    Christian's may experience wars, but neither me, nor any other true believer in Christ will see the events of the tribulation period. For we will have already been caught up to the Lord, because you brothers belong to the day, so that this day of wrath will not take you by surprise. It's a...
  14. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    Good day TheDivineWatermark, This is not for you, so much as it is for the one you were responding to. The meaning of the phrase "the day of the Lord" can be found in all of the OT writings, as a day of ======================================================================= "That day will be...
  15. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    I Thess.4:16-17 = The gathering of the entire church, dead and living, being caught up to meet the Lord in the air Matt.24:31 = Angels gathering the great tribulation saints who make it alive through the entire tribulation period Your error is that you and others pigeonhole the word...
  16. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    Good day Melach, The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments do in fact take place in the chronological order that they appear in Revelation. First of all, each set is numbered 1 thru 7, which shows their order. Then you have the following: "I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven...
  17. Ahwatukee

    Mystery Babylon

    I feel very sorry for you. You believe that Jesus took upon himself God's wrath that every believer deserves, but in the same breath you talk about the Lord putting His church through the same coming wrath that is meant for the wicked. Also, if you truly understood the severity of the coming...
  18. Ahwatukee

    Cain's Offering

    There is only one answer, not many! What you call alternative views, is really false teachings!
  19. Ahwatukee

    Cain's Offering

    Hebrews gives the answer as to why God rejected Cain's sacrifice: ========================================================== By faith Abel offered God a better sacrifice than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous when God gave approval to his gifts. And by faith he still speaks, even...