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    Oh goody another OSAS thread!

    This evil heart of unbelief refers to those who once were "in Christ", but departed from Him. The unbelieving Jews persecuted the believers in Messiah, pressuring them to turn back to Judaism by trying to convince the believing Jews, Jesus was a false prophet. In order to do this, they were...
  2. J

    Oh goody another OSAS thread!

    speaking lies in hypocrisy, Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 1 Timothy 4:1-2 Thanks for...
  3. J

    Oh goody another OSAS thread!

    So then you agree that OSAS is a false doctrine? JPT
  4. J

    Oh goody another OSAS thread!

    Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1 The question is: Are you yourself, teaching God’s children that they can indeed depart from the faith, and still be saved? JPT
  5. J

    Oh goody another OSAS thread!

    Ok. So if there are no other conditions to be saved, other that to believe, then these in this group were saved for a while, because they did in fact believe, then later, they no longer believed, thus no longer meeting the only condition for us to be saved. 13 But the ones on the rock are...
  6. J

    Oh goody another OSAS thread!

    Again, it is those who have confidence, which is the substance of our faith, steadfast to the end, that will receive the salvation of our soul. Are you saying a person can depart from the faith and still be saved. Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the...
  7. J

    Oh goody another OSAS thread!

    That’s referring to those by the wayside who never believed. Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. These in this group were not saved, because they did not believe. However, these...
  8. J

    Oh goody another OSAS thread!

    The warning is to deny Him, in which we depart from Him in unbelief while being persecuted. This is how unbelieving Jews would try to turn believing Jews back to Judaism, which rejects Jesus Christ as Messiah and Lord, claiming He is a false prophet. JPT
  9. J

    Oh goody another OSAS thread!

    Yes if you have the confidence steadfast to the end, then yes. Did you miss that? we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, 12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living...
  10. J

    Oh goody another OSAS thread!

    Do you just make things up as you go along. Just read what Jesus so plainly said. 12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. 13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they...
  11. J

    Oh goody another OSAS thread!

    For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end 12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be...
  12. J

    Oh goody another OSAS thread!

    Is a person who believes, the no longer believes, a believer? Are they saved when they believe, or is there more that is required to be saved? JPT
  13. J

    Oh goody another OSAS thread!

    The book of Hebrews was written to those who High Priest and Apostle is Jesus Christ. holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus, Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle...
  14. J

    Oh goody another OSAS thread!

    There is no amount of twisting that can undo this verse. Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus, Hebrews 3:1 The book of Hebrews was written to Christians. Believers in Jesus Christ. JPT
  15. J

    Oh goody another OSAS thread!

    Again, can you read? how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. 2 For if the word...
  16. J

    Oh goody another OSAS thread!

    Maybe you didn’t actually read the scripture. Here it is again. 12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness...
  17. J

    Oh goody another OSAS thread!

    The context is about Jews but of course it pertains to all who are of the household of faith.
  18. J

    Oh goody another OSAS thread!

    Not talking to children of God? You are joking right? how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. 2 For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and...
  19. J

    Oh goody another OSAS thread!

    Amen. The book of Hebrews was written to Hebrews, and focused on strengthening their faith, by showing them who Jesus Christ is. From chapter 1 the author sets out to do this very thing demonstrating that Jesus Christ is the Lord God of the Old Testament. The reason for this is...