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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    This time I am only going to answer your single paragraph. Sorry, but bows and arrows, being inanimate objects, cannot have deceit. What does this have at all to do with the first seal except by eisegesis? You are trying to force the idea that somehow God was thinking the Antichrist Beast...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    --in contexts speaking of a "DECEITFUL bow" - Psalm 78:9 Why do you call this a deceitful bow? In the Septugint it is still the Greek Toxon. Section removed due to over 1876 words and it STILL would not accept it. It is still a bow as in bend from the Hebrew root word, and that means a weapon...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    You mean THIS gap shown in pruple? 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are...
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    Agreed: John write LONG (around 60 years) after Jesus ascended. So what? All judgments are for the GT. Who said? And there are other things there besides "judgments." God had a problem: He wanted to show John the book with 7 seals, but wanted to START while the book was still in the Hand of...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Let's see that verse in other translations: 1534 Tyndale N.T. Let no ma deceave you by eny meanes for the lorde commeth not excepte ther come a departynge fyrst and that that synfnll man be opened ye sonne of perdicion 1535 Coverdale Bible Let no man disceaue you by eny meanes. For the LORDE...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Here is a list of verses proving a posttrib rapture:
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    2. Neither this nor any other scripture teaches a pre-trib rapture. This is only your opinion and untold millions disagree with you. I could write, "there is no single scripture that proves a post-trib rapture."
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Again I must protest! You are 2000 years off on your theory of the first seal. Don't take my word for it, read the context: 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven...
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    Anyone can pull the first seal out of its context and make believe it is future. In truth it was opened as soon as Jesus ascended and got the book...just as John wrote it.
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    I re-read chapters 4 & 5 in the Revelation study. That study seems to leave out the intended purpose of these two chapters: to establish the context of the first seal. I don't believe there is any disagreement between the two.
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    REVELATION STUDY

    You missed one verse: 1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. John is telling us that someone titled "antichrist" shall come." Although Paul or John did...
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    Since I heard from the Master, it is for me only a proverbial question for others to ponder. But to answer your question, I have read some of it.
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    The ONLY conclusion one can come to with these clues is the passing of time made a difference! First Jesus was NOT in the throne room, and then He suddenly appeared. First NO MAN was found, and then Jesus was found. First the Holy Spirit was IN the room, and then He was sent down. What is the...
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    To discover the timing of the first seal, we must study the context of the first seal, which would be chapters 4 & 5, John's "throne room" vision. Can we discover timing? Yes. Can you discover the intent of the Author, God, in this passage? I think we can. Most people give no thought to the...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    So you don't believe Ezekiel. What other parts of God's Holy Word do you despise? By the way, weren't the original offers of innocent animals also "sin" offerings? Yet we know the the blood of bulls and goats can NEVER remove sin or even the guilt of sin.
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    My meaning was, you had not statement right when you said "second advent" because at the pretrib rapture it will be His second coming. But I KNOW that was not your meaning. YOu seem to have missed my post #1475
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Please explain how a falling away can get the man of sin revealed as shown in verse 3b. Somehow, somewhere in 3a the restrainer has to be "taken out of the way."
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    No, it only SEEMS that way with a cursory reading. It is not really what Paul is saying. He IS saying that the departing (of the church) comes first, THEN the man of sin is revealed: exactly the order we find in Paul's first letter and the same order we find in Revelation. Pauls argument is...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    I am only saying that God was showing John a vision of the past. We get the timing, NOT from 95 AD that John was seeing this vision, but from what John saw; A throne room without Jesus pointing to a time before He ascended. It was a throne room with the Holy Spirit there: so again a time before...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    It is very simple: John did not start the book with the first seal. It is in chapter 6 and chapter's 4 & 5 are the context. In that context God is pointing to 32 AD over and over. 1: Jesus NOT SEEN at the right hand of the Father: chapter 4. (While He was on the earth or under the earth.) 2...