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    Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!

    Don't get me wrong, the NIV is not a perfect translation. There are instances where it is in dispute. But that is the case for every single English translation. Somewhere there will be a verse where there is a better translation in another English translation according to a group of scholars...
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    Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!

    There is a reason it is used by most of the evangelical bible believing scholars and commentary writers. So you seem to be misinformed. Many of the best commentary authors that believe in the inspiration of the scriptures and are conservative evangelicals use their own translations since they...
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    Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!

    Then Use the Greek of the Textus Receptus. Learn it. Be able to read it and write and speak it. Only then could you honestly say that you you are using what you believe to be the uncorrupted text. To use the KJV you have departed from that source material and are using an English...
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    Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!

    I think you are really out of your lane when you try to make a case for KJV over NIV. However. I will placate you with the KJV. It doesn't change anything that I have previously written. 45But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the...
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    Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!

    No one dying on the cross almost about to take his last breath, (he dies right after this) would feel the need to explain what day he was speaking or waste his breath on such unnecessary words. Your attempt to change the meaning like this is the same as when you try to say the flame is not...
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    Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!

    You reject my argument and then go about saying something just as subjective, imagining different lengths of burning time. I see holding times while being punished, tormented in flame, before the Lake of Fire based on scriptures like the "uninterpreted parable of the rich man and Lazarus" as...
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    Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!

    I don't know Greek. I rely on expert authors who I trust that do. There are so many scriptures that describe the eternal torment, that we would have to analyze each one. So one word might be a word that means ages of ages. And an argument might be presented that ages end. Maybe a word...
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    Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!

    I am asking because I really do not know. When do you believe the wicked dead suffer torment. Do you believe they die, are asleep, get raised, then cast into the Lake of Fire, but it snuffs them out instantly? Or do they linger swimming about in it for a day or two?
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    Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!

    It is a silly discourse. Paradise is used in different contexts. It has a specific meaning based on the context where it occurs is scripture and it was a word used in Rabbinical teaching and Jewish thought. So depending on who is using the word and how it is used in scripture it has a meaning...
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    Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!

    Scripture does not contradict you simply don't understand Eccl and Job. And ignore any new revelation in the New Testament about the state of the wicked and righteous dead. That is not a contradiction it is limited revelation in the OT and more revelation in the NT. Resisting the more...
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    Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!

    Different levels and types of punishment. Being in torment while not having thrist quenched, waiting for the final judgment is one of the hints we are given. Later there is a resurrection, and a final judgment and cast into the Lake of Fire which is the final sentencing. Like being in the...
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    Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!

    The comma is not necessary to understand the plain meaning of the words. No one hearing, and no one who read this when it was recorded later was thinking that Jesus was announcing to anyone what day he was speaking. That was not a normal way to talk. If you can find something similar in...
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    Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!

    Vengeance is mine says the Lord, I will repay. Us being wrong for vengeance doesn't mean God is. Your logic is flawed.
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    Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!

    You are making an accusation that there must be some other motive for not receiving your interpretation other than because you did a bad job of making your case. There is no other motive for rejecting your hermeneutic than that it was an awful attempt at twisting many verses of scripture to...
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    Some of the reasons I pulled away from Dispensationalism.

    I think you are a great writer. Don't underestimate yourself. I was getting a good vibe from your story. :) An uncommonly good vibe. Your writing style stands out and you aren't even really trying. You should write your story as a book and leave it for your grand children. I just started...
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    Some of the reasons I pulled away from Dispensationalism.

    He did. In Greek and Hebrew. The copies that we have would be considered "preserved by God" in the sense that you seem to be applying to an English translation that relied on these copies to translate to English which would mean those copies are the authority and not the English translation...
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    This place is so WEIRD!

    Welcome to internet Christian Chat. It's always been weird. It was weird in the 90s. Every Christian Chat since the days of Bulletin boards has been weird. Probably because many of the people are.. well, weird. LOL All denominations and people in general are welcome. The same old topics...
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    Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!

    You seem to be making an obvious mistake. Your reference is in the City the New Jerusalem on to the New Earth. Your attempt to make this prove that paradise is UP is not working. And it is not even what Jesus was telling the thief. He was not telling him that today he would be in the New...
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    Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!

    That is not a thus saith the Lord. It is your reasoning. I find it faulty. I think that one must take into consideration the mindset of the people who were hearing Jesus teach. Knowing that they had the belief that there was a place called paradise for the righteous dead and it was also...