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This verse...... Romans 11v29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. Is being used in the wrong context to uphold certain doctrinal positions. It is being used as a promise of God that an INDIVDUAL cannot lose their gift of salvation once they believe (at some point in time) the...

I sincerely and honesty have no idea what you are talking about.

John 15 5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. - we Abide in Him -He supplies all we require John 15 10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments...

GB9 your above scripture is mis-referenced. Its not 1 Peter 1 but rather 2 Peter 1. Your quote does not contradict 2 Peter 5-10 either. 2 Peter 1 1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and...

What page Number? And which verse in 1 Peter 1?

Which verses?

Matthew 24 5 And Jesus, answering them, began to say: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 6 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and will deceive many. Matthew 24 22 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Great, now we are getting somewhere. What distinguishes those who are Christs from those who aren't by your own words quoting 1 John 3 and 1 John 5 is whether they continue living in sin day to day. The bible cross references it as such - you will know them by their fruits. And if we see...

Agreed. This was reached because all three parties have made statements which were proven by scripture not to be true. Then avoided the very clear examples provided. Its not a game of shoot and hide.

I don't think we are on the same page. I would assume you (personally) believe you are a saved person, right? Why? Well you would tell me that you believe in Jesus Christ, who took your sins upon the cross, and you believe he rose from the dead and is at the right hand of the Father. I would...

If you feel that a moderator is necessary, then feel free to send them a complaint. Let them judge as to whether I am being argumentative for the sake of it or if I am bringing valid biblical debate to the table. In other words, put it in their court. They have made competent decisions in the...

Assume there are 100 believers at a point in time. 80 of these are Elect. Nobody knows exactly who God's elect are. All we know at a point in time is that these 100 people are believers. There are bible verses warning believers (all 100 of them). The Elect (80) will heed these and live as...

This is the Bible Discussion Forum. Invariably there are different views as to scriptural truths. It is here that we debate them. It is a ringfenced part of the ChristianChat Forum. Therefore this is fair game for this forum. You may not like what you hear in return, because you may be forced to...

No, I'm referring to this verse --- 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

When you say irrevocable gift, I believe you are quoting Romans 11v29 (which refers to corporate Israel / and as you say reference to the Gentiles as well). Let's look at the passage: Romans 11 25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be...

The point was the corporate context of Israel (and the Gentiles) in regards to verse 29. You have to scroll back to the conversation thread.

This is very wobbly. You say: 1) They professes faith, but didn't really believe. 2) They fell away (from something they never believed) 3) They are completely cut off for rejecting Christ's GIFT and SHARING IN THE HOLY SPIRIT (but remember they never really believed) 4) And they have no way...

Look at this one addressed to believers (an edification call): 2 Peter 1 10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom...

Verse 1 talks about His people, Israel. Therin is the context. And yes it also refers to the gentiles within this chapter. You seem to miss the point I was making.

The Elect will. Not all current believers are Elect. Some will go on in the faith, some will draw back. That's why its important to correctly distinguish election verses from verses addressed to all believers. Warnings are given to all believers. The Elect will never fall into Apostasy (which is...