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  1. PaulChristensen

    Signs that follow them that believeth.

    With all due respect, your view is based on Eisegesis, not Exegesis. You are reading into the passage something that is not supported by the context. The context is that false apostles had plagued the Gentile churches with the requirement that unless a Gentile person is circumcised and...
  2. PaulChristensen

    Signs that follow them that believeth.

    Today's churches are nothing like the Early Church. From the 4th Century onwards, the established church was plagued with paganism, barren ceremony and ritual, seeking the will of God replaced by the authority of the bishops, the Holy Spirit as the Vicar of Christ replaced by the pope in Rome...
  3. PaulChristensen

    Signs that follow them that believeth.

    Yep. that's right! Anyway, discounting healing and deliverance for today's churches by misquoting the Scripture about Jews seeking signs is an old, tired, worn-out chestnut that should be laid to rest and remain dead and buried. Any intelligent person who reads the book of Acts will clearly...
  4. PaulChristensen

    Signs that follow them that believeth.

    If that is what your mentors have taught you, then carry on believing it! No skin off my nose. I've said my bit. I'm just a guy who reads the Bible.
  5. PaulChristensen

    Signs that follow them that believeth.

    In actual fact, the incidence of speaking in tongues has occurred at different times right through Church history. Most of the groups that manifested the gift, along with other gifts of the Spirit were treated as heretical and brutally suppressed by the established church. Because their...
  6. PaulChristensen

    Signs that follow them that believeth.

    As we see in the book of Acts, more miracles of healing and casting out of demons happened when Paul preached the gospel to the Gentile pagans. The signs the unconverted Jewish leaders were looking for in relation to the Messiah (context is everything!) were nothing like the "signs following"...
  7. PaulChristensen

    Signs that follow them that believeth.

    What I see in the book of Acts is that the Apostles preached the gospel of Christ and worked to make disciples of Christ, and the signs followed them. There is no record anywhere in the book of Acts where "signs and wonders" were actually preached. The way Luke recorded the events was that the...
  8. PaulChristensen

    Signs that follow them that believeth.

    I am not. My Pentecostal background has come from the teaching of a mature pastor who came from the Methodist Holiness movement. He taught that for someone to truly move in the power of the Holy Spirit he must be a man of the Word and of prayer, and live a totally holy life. I received his...
  9. PaulChristensen

    Signs that follow them that believeth.

    I can understand your position. Tragically the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement has been corrupted and hijacked by the Prosperity, health and wealth Word of Faith crowd, and they have put themselves at the forefront of the modern Charismatic movement. it certainly isn't the Pentecostal...
  10. PaulChristensen

    Signs that follow them that believeth.

    John Calvin said in his John's Gospel commentary that to ignore the gifts of God (and my view the supernatural gifts of the Spirit) is laziness, ingratitude to God for what He has done for us and provided for us, and an insult to Him. I believe the same concerning Cessationist doctrine that...
  11. PaulChristensen

    Signs that follow them that believeth.

    No. I belong to a small suburban Methodist/Presbyterian Union church, along with six elderly ladies and one other gentleman. I consider the extreme Word of Faith doctrine espoused by Kenny Copeland and others like him as pseuo-Christian cultish heresy, and I see the Bethel church as a...
  12. PaulChristensen

    Signs that follow them that believeth.

    I agree. The purpose of signs and wonders has been the same all the while since the 1st Century. Jesus said, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel, AND these signs shall follow those who believe,,," etc. The two are Scripturally linked. Preaching the gospel and the signs and wonders...
  13. PaulChristensen

    Signs that follow them that believeth.

    Oh? My reading of the book of Acts shows that the miracles of healing and deliverance from demons caused multitudes of non-Jewish pagans to turn to Christ and this was the cause of Christianizing the Roman Empire. Also, reading the context of what Jesus was referring to as signs the Jews were...
  14. PaulChristensen

    Signs that follow them that believeth.

    This is the old chestnut that Cessationists use to spook people out of believing in the continuance of the Spiritual gifts in the church today. In the Matthew reference, if we look at the context, Jesus was talking about religious hypocrites and not genuine believers.
  15. PaulChristensen

    Signs that follow them that believeth.

    Jesus said that the will of God is to believing on the One whom He has sent. This is the type of belief and faith that transforms the heart to a full commitment to Christ, and not just an outward display of religiosity at church on Sunday mornings.
  16. PaulChristensen

    Signs that follow them that believeth.

    Notice that in the Matthew reference the ones whom Jesus rejected SAID they prophesied and cast out demons, and did mighty works in His name. Jesus never acknowledged that they actually DID them. Also, there are false "prophets to the nation" in some churches, a ministry that is not supported...
  17. PaulChristensen

    Woman can't teach in the congregation

    My wife is someone who should be loved and obeyed at all times, and her influence and example has made me a much better Bible teacher!
  18. PaulChristensen

    Woman can't teach in the congregation

    I agree. Married women were loudly questioning the content of prophecies given in the meetings, thereby disrupting the meetings. Paul says that if they have questions about the prophecies, they should ask their husbands at home. He was clearly referring to married women, and not singles...
  19. PaulChristensen

    Woman can't teach in the congregation

    If that is so, how come Paul fully supports Junia the female apostle, and Lydia who led a church in her home? Either Paul is contradicting himself, or that he never intended to prohibit women's ministry in the churches.
  20. PaulChristensen

    Woman can't teach in the congregation

    Notice that the context of the chapter is about the giving of prophecies, and so it is Paul's response to married women disrupting services by loudly questioning the content of prophecies given in the service. Paul says that these women should keep silence during the service and to ask their...