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Jesus told his disciples to obey the scribes and the Pharisees. Again, there's no single person on earth who keeps the law of Moses.

Those who obey the law of grace will have eternal life; those who attempt to obey the law of Moses will fall short of their goal.

"Till heaven and earth pass" is just an expression that gives more weight to the central statement -- "till ALL is fulfilled". It is obvious that the point in time at which the law of Moses would pass was "when ALL is fulfilled", not "when heaven and earth pass".

What I said is neither an accusation nor an offence. My only interest in this thread is to demonstrate that the risen Jesus used Paul to preach a different Gospel -- the Gospel of Grace, apart from the Law. Your only interest (as a debater) is to prove that Christians are supposed to keep the...

We both agree that Jesus and Paul taught different gospels, but I believe Paul preached new doctrines (revealed to him by the risen Jesus) and you think he preached a false gospel. Since you don't acknowledge Paul as an apostle, and therefore your only interest is to prove that the law of Moses...

But Paul had authority to speak on behalf of the Lord, the apostle's words are actually Jesus' words. Jesus taught obedience to the law of Moses, whereas Paul taught salvation by grace through faith apart from the Law. Paul does not contradict Jesus, he teaches a new doctrine applicable to the...

Are you a Law Zealot?

And if we are left only with the four Gospels then we'll have to keep all 613 Mitzvot because deliverance from the Law is found only in other books.

I had a friend here who was very zealous of the Law and once he confided to me in a p. m. that he really thought Paul was a false apostle. Yes, you're right, if we start doubting Paul we'll be left only with the four Gospels and Revelation.

No, Guojing, the Zealots of the Law don't say the Bible is contradictory, they just cast doubts on Paul's apostleship.

Your perception of Timothy's circumcision is better than mine.

So let's stick to the terminology used in the O.P.: Jesus and Paul Jesus - Words of the Lord during His walk on earth (including the period after the resurrection and before the ascension) Paul - Words of risen Jesus (relayed to us by Paul) Jesus said: It is easier for a camel to go through...

Paul did some things just for the sake of reaching the Jews. I'm not sure if taking vows is wrong for Christians (I think James says it's OK), but shaving off the head was a Jewish thing. But Paul did worst than that: he circumcised Timothy -- he did what he said was wrong. Paul had Timothy...

According to Jesus (prior to his ascension) it was easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone rich to enter heaven. According to Paul (the risen Christ's spokesman) it is OK to be rich provided you are generous and not arrogant.

During His walk on earth Jesus said: "sell that ye have and give alms". Have you already sold all your property and given the money to the poor?

So you mean Paul's words are not from the risen Jesus, correct?

You place too many points of discussion in the same post. Once I separated them so as to keep each post about a single point of discussion, but instead of responding to each post separately you grouped them together again into one post. If you want me to respond to ALL your posts please use...

Do you mean the ordinance below was a man made tradition? To wear tefillin on the head -- Deut 6:8

Therefore you believe Jesus' teachings override Paul's, right? Do you mean we should disregard the teachings of the heavenly Jesus in favor of the teachings he gave us on earth? The heavenly Jesus said a Christian can be rich provided they are generous and not arrogant. The earthly Jesus said...

This is what Christians are supposed to do.