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I've thought the same thing. He's said he's never tasted alcohol, so maybe he's got a thing about this. I don't know if you've heard of Anderson. He's considered to be an extremist, and was on a British program about "America's Hate Preachers"

Thanks for your point. Unfortunately, I know even less Hebrew, but it's something that be a useful thought. I must say I'd never heard anyone say the specific point Anderson made.

What's "so difficult to understand" is that verses which I've read such as Heb. 6:4 and others seem to warn about the risk of losing salvation. Maybe there are other scriptures that contradict that, but the bottom line is that I'm not convinced either way. One thought which may be relevant -...

I don't know much Greek, so I don't know the correct meaning of "oene". I'd be interested if anyone could shed some light on the subject.

h Communion - good point! Thanks, all, for your input. The fact that the Pharisees called him a winebibber does not make Him necessarily so. It could have been a misunderstanding or a lie to discredit Him. The point Anderson was making was that the word translated "wine" ("oene")...

Thanks for your replies. I've read through them. It seems to me 'though that they all confirm my point that no specific actions correspond to specific punishments (sorry if I've missed any which contradict this). This I find strange, in light of the fact that there are so many detailed...

Part of the reason that prompted this question is that Pastor Steven Anderson said that "oene" in the NT refers to non-alcoholic fruit juice. I'd be interested in reading others' opinions.

Thanks for your material, yet none of the quotes gave the answer to my question. They gave generalities about affairs between parents and children, but nothing about what SPECIFIC things warranted SPECIFIC punishments. Eg - what would constitute using the rod?

I've got to leave the library now. I hope to discuss things further. Hope to contact tomorrow.

All your questions refer to a person who currently has EL, meaning OSAS is the case. You seem to be such a believer. You may well be right, 'though I still think it leaves room for there being a tacit clause that it requires continuing faith. There are many passages in scripture which...

I'm not sure he was - that's the point! It seems that many people (I could give examples, if necessary) have believed in the sense I've described and have done a 180. The question is still open - Would such a man be saved? As to your further question - I "heard the gospel" in 1985 and was...

A further thought: To OSAS believers: What if a hard-hearted person, who "has no time for God", hears the gospel and believes it - in the sense that he believes it to be true, without having any loyalty to godly things. He then curses God and rebelliously goes on a continuous ungodly way of...

I'm unsure about this subject - I've heard both sides of the argument. 'Though if OSAS is true, I don't see how that squares with verses such as Heb 6:4, which states "It is impossible for those who were once enlightened...if they shall fall away, to renew themselves unto salvation, as they...

Hi. Regarding the biblical (and generally accepted, by bible-believing Christians) instruction re. the corporal punishment of children - something I've always found abhorrent, 'though I'm not a perfect, wise, all-knowing God! - I've not seen anywhere in the OT ('though there might well be some...