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Good question! It seems if he were still a believer, he may be CLOSER to him than before. I don't know what relevance Templeton has to this discussion.

I'm getting mixed up with the format here, even being confused as to to whom I am replying. I'm a bit of a dinosaur when it comes to technology. I'll try. Re. your first point: - "They didn't believe."?! You mean these guys went around preaching the gospel, healing people, etc. while not...

I talked about a hypothetical man who was very hard-hearted and hated the idea being as slave to God. However, after thinking considerably about it, he believes it to be true. However, he has no appreciation of this and continues in his prideful worldly life, having contempt for God, even...

An additional point on believing - Paraphrasing - Men came to Jesus and said, - We've done various things in Your name. He replied "I never knew you, for when I was hungry, you never fed me, etc.". Jesus quite clearly said these people are damned. Yet it seems they believed, even apparently...

Thanks for your input. I don't think I can improve on my comment to which you responded.

I tend to agree.

I tend to agree.

No - rather instructions as to what punishments are to be meted out for specific wrongs. As for the Abraham/ Isaac situation - they are not comparable. There was no wrongdoing. It was God testing Abraham.

No - rather specific instructions as to what punishments are to meted out for specific wrongs. The Abraham/ Isaac situation was different - it involved no wrongdoing. It was God testing Abraham.

Thanks to all who responded with sincerity and cordiality. Maybe I WAS making too much of the need for details in this matter. Maybe you're guessed - I have a "thing" about this. I instinctively feel that hitting a child is abhorrent - 'though as I said before - I'm not God He is wiser...

Perhaps you should visit an audiologist.

I won't dignify your tirade with an answer. I want to interact with those who cordially want to discuss reasonably.

They CERTAINLY haven't been so far! As to your first point - as I've said, OT v NT details are beside the point. As for the last point, believe what you want. I don't believe I'll get any pertinent points from here, so I don't think I'll continue, but thanks to all those who've contributed.

As for your first two comments - ?!! As for your third, - (numerous?!!) None offered specifics in the area I mentioned - in fact, at least one acknowledged THERE AREN'T ANY!

I never referenced (eternal) salvation - only the dealings between people in this life.

"Common sense" - the poor man's logic! Common sense is what one instinctively believes to be true and is demonstrably unreliable.

I've thought of the very verse you mentioned about strong drink.

Whether Jesus drank or not is a valid issue in the subject.

Maybe I've implicitly exaggerated the need for specificities, but whether the case, your post adds to the point that the Bible seems to lack them.