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It is an interesting parallel: the 10 virgins and the Sermon on the Mount Matthew 7 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your...

John 4 9 Then the woman of Samaria said to Him, “How is it that You, being a Jew, ask a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?” For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans. 10 Jesus answered and said to her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have...

These warnings apply to all Christians.

Vesre Let's also look at the above 2 verses and the distinction between them......

People are not automatons. If you started well but are led away by false doctrines there are grave consequences. God doesn't obey FOR you. You still choose to obey. The sheer weight of scripture confirms this. Even the faith of some has been overthrown.

You are misreading my post. We are in agreement. Dave is asserting that the Baptism of the spirit is exclusively the laying on of hands and exclusively by the Apostles. I am challenging him that this is not the case. That the Elders ALSO laid on hands (not just the apostles).

Nice one.

The Father gave Jesus the Spirit without measure (John 3v34). The gifts are given as He wills. If you have faith like a mustard seed you can move mountains. It's the exercise of faith that holds back the current church. The problem lies not on God's side of the equation. The problem lies in the...

And how do you know that dead weren't raised in the last 2000 years through prayer?

Read 1 Timothy 4v14 again. The GIFT was imparted with the laying on of hands (by the elders). Not the ordaining as minister. Read it again. When will you admit you are wrong, now that the evidence has been provided?

No evidence provided? I asked for the scripture and you respond with a one liner?

So what if Paul laid hands on Timothy. That's not the point you are trying to assert. The Elders (others and plural) laid hands on Timothy. Which sinks your assertions.

@Dave-L 1 Timothy 4 14 Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy with the laying on of the hands of the eldership. Paul, written to Timothy. Referring to the eldership in Timothy's church. @Dave-L : When the Apostle John died (as per your assertion) was...

In fact @Dave-L , you were being disingenuous, and have still not answered me on the earlier post. Where did the scriptures say raising the dead? My Mark 16 scripture did not refer to it.

@Dave-L : Baptism in the Holy Spirit was ESTABLISHED through the scriptures. PROVE with scripture that it stopped. PROVE....

On the contrary. I posted Post Nr 83 https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/why-the-baptism-with-the-holy-spirit-is-not-for-today.189832/page-5#post-4143619 to which you responded with OPINION (fluff, with no scriptural support for your opinion in Post nr 84)...

In the beginning someone (a person) is not a believer in Christ, but one day is presented with the Gospel. That person changes his/her mind and believes in Christ. Then comes along a false prophet (yes, the ones the bible warns about). This person gives heed to these new doctrines as presented...

Yeah when I was a new believer I went through OT in 40 days (40 pages/day). Then approx. another 10 days for NT. Read it many time since. Never just read the NT. The OT is crucial to understanding God. The NT church in Acts only had the OT as their reference.

R Kelly believed he could fly. He believed he could touch the sky. He thought about it every night and day. Spread his wings to fly away.

Nah.