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He needs to know what happens to someone who preaches another Jesus and believes a different gospel to what Paul preached.

Ah! You think you got me have you? :cool: Which denomination do you think has influenced me? I have also been a member of an Anglican, a Baptist and a Presbyterian church fellowshipping with Charismatics in all of them. Those Charismatics were quite different from many Pentecostals I...

That's interesting. Explains a lot.

Well, your experience is quite different to mine! I pray in tongues, yet I am totally opposed to the health and wealth gospel. My theology is strictly Reformed Puritan with its emphasis on Christ and Him crucified. And all my Pentecostal and Charismatic friends are opposed to the health and...

All this part of your religious conditioning in the way you were taught to interpret 1 Corinthians 14.

It is interesting how that 1 Corinthians 14:2 is bypassed, where Paul says that the person who speaks in tongues does not speak to men but to God because no one understands him, but speaks mysteries in the Spirit. And Paul describes people speaking with tongues would be speaking to the air and...

I gave that story to show that modern tongues does exist among all the lunatic fringe versions of it. I think that third world Pentecostals are not corrupted by the Prosperity and unconditional healing stuff that is in some American Charismatic outfits. Also, the supernatural is more real to...

I appreciate that. I know that foreigners speaking clear English is a very rare event, but English speakers have been know to speak understandable foreign languages, so why not the other way around? Wouldn't it be a hoot if an African missionary to the United States arrived, hadn't learned...

There is no point trying to quote a random verse out of context to prove your point. Doesn't wash at all. Also your fuzzy logic won't work either. Well, the friend was quite clear about what he witnessed. He is not one to exaggerate. His parents were in the same church and they would have...

How about I quote all the verses in context? "12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey. 13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and...

If he heard you say that, he wouldn't be as polite as I am to you! :)

If we read the whole of Acts chapters 1 and 2 without dividing the two chapters we see that Luke listed the 120 people who were gathered in prayer in the upper room waiting for what was going to come next. Because of the continued flow of the narrative there is nothing to say that those to whom...

My friend is a Scottish Presbyterian with a very strong Puritan theology - to the point where he is strict almost to the point of legalism. He has never known to exaggerate over anything and is a stickler for the absolute truth and is totally committed to Sola Scriptura. If he says that he...

I think you are pretty committed to what you believe, and I respect that. I don't think we are going to get much further along this line of discussion, so we are going to have to agree to disagree. Otherwise we will get into a two horse race which will get us nowhere.

I have seen exactly what you described. In actual fact, before I started assisting people to move into the gifts of the Spirit, I was in a meeting where someone was being prayed for to receive the gift of tongues. Half the group were yelling, "Hold on brother!" and the other half were yelling...

In the early days of Pentecostalism, there were many testimonies of people speaking understandable languages they had never learned when they spoke in tongues. There were testimonies of missionaries who had not learned the language of the people speaking in tongues and being understood...

I don't know about all that. I know that when I asked the Lord for the baptism with the Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues, I received it from Him. I have already said that my most precious times in the presence of God has been well away from any church, so my experience with God is based on...

I have a friend whose parents attended a Pentecostal church in Kenya. He has clear memories of that church and the events that happened in it. He described bush men who had never had contact with Europeans before, coming into the church, getting saved, baptised with the Spirit, and then...

I received the gift of tongues when I was sitting in my bedroom and asked for it. In fact I had been pleading for it for the last couple of weeks. While I was sitting there cool, calm and collected, the Holy Spirit said to me, "Why are you begging and pleading for something I gave you 2000...

Poppycock! And I mean that respectfully as a friend. :) Paul spoke in tongues more than all the Corinthian believers and he was not one of the original eleven. Also the 120 in the upper room on the day of Pentecostal all spoke in tongues, including, by the way, the Virgin Mary. Also, most...