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Im not christian or making any claim about god. This is a christian problem not my problem.

I would disagree with that.I believe that we can all agree on the Nicene Creed ad that should be enough to come together and stop fighting. It really is that simple. Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. Love others in the same way god has loved you. 1 John 3:15 ESV / 639...

And that brings me to my other point. That the Christian community has convinced me that god is not at work. Actually If I didn't know any better, I would become skeptical and believe that there is no god. Then christians want to turn around and get upset at atheist for not believing in their...

Im going to check that out. I think its important to understand that god didn't fail him. People claiming to know god failed him. This is what my argument has been about. My example has no power if im not claiming to know god, but to say you know god and be a bad example this is dangerous. If...

Nicene creed sums it all up.

Ok, I agree.

I agree with this, or else one become misguided. We have books to connect us with teaching through apostolic succession. We dont need the establishment. All they have is books too.

Thanks for this. Your right.

Making an absolute truth claim is ok but those who follow the one teaching the truth claim must reflect their mastor, or its not a truth claim. Belife without action is just theory.

Jesus bar wasn't low. Why is the pastors bar low?

Should we follow your example subhumanoidal? Do you reflect christianity? Are your actions an example of gods power? If my example is poor, then why is your response matching my example. Shouldn't you provide me with a better example?

Also, what I'm claiming is that a lot of the churches are man-made institutions. That's what I've been talking about this whole time. So my example about the drunk applies. If someone has the credentials and the qualifications to be a pastor but he beats his wife and is molesting little...

Again, it's not me that needs to prove myself. I'm not the one making the claims. And talking about how powerful and great God is and being the example of what it means to follow God. And unfortunately, it's a sad example. If you're claiming to know God and you're making all these big claims and...

Lol. Thanks

Another option I would consider is maybe just going to the bible studies and taking part in the activities, but not attend church. I don't want to hear from the pastor, I don't want to hear what the institution has to say.

I believe I can find a group here in my area. I just haven't really found one yet, but I'm doing my research. I'm using discernment and I'm dialing it in. As someone said, maybe I need to start forming my own group. Of course, this wouldn't be to bring division, need a group of people that come...

Non denominational does not mean that they are a non tithing church. Potters house and the door for example claim to be non denominational but they are part of christian fellowship ministries and is ran and monitored by Wayman Mitchell who use to be with for square church.

Also, most of you're key players in the Bible were put to death for living out their faith.I don't know much about this guy or what was involved. You do need to use discernment and you do need to take a look at the fruit. Some of these Groups sects and denominations that are non tithing...

I would much rather that than watered down christianity.

That's not what I'm saying at all. Yes, I agree, you make a good point. What I'm pointing out is the institution that oversees the pastor in the church. That's what I'm talking about. We didn't have that back in the biblical times. Yes, people are not going to agree, but did Paul and Peter go...