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Hi Macabeus, thank you for your honesty. This is the question that everyone has wanted you to answer about our eternal salvation; Quote: "Are we saved or kept saved by works? YES!!!" Both are accomplished by the WORKS OF GOD And so if I understand correctly we are "kept saved" by "our works...

Thank you Budman, I just posted the same question to preston39, wait and see...

Hi preston39, the book of 1st John say's these things were written that we may "know that we have eternal life." How do you explain the fact that the bible say's "may know that we have eternal life? And you say we are not even saved while on this earth......wow that's not even, "good news."...

Hi Macabeus, no need to go elsewhere unless it is Gods will for your life then its up to you. For me and others here we would like to hear a clear cut answer without all the fluff, like you do or you do not. You can resolve this issue at hand if you would answer the question in a clear manner...

Quote: "When someone’s arguments take the form of personal attacks and name-calling it’s a pretty clear admission that they don’t have anything valid or worthwhile to say." author unknown

Okay I can see that now and I am also in disagreement with works are a gift, and the bible does not support his fallacious argument. His faulty interpretation has obviously brought him to a false conclusion. Excuse me for my intrusion and I do not see his need for name calling.

Who wants to discuss the bible with someone with an attitude like yours, like I said whats your point. Your insults are uncalled for and frankly nobody cares.

Hi Macabeus, we are saved by grace through faith, "it is the 'gift' of God", Jesus said "I give them 'eternal life', it is a gift as well. So where is the conflict and what is the sense of continuing to say the same thing over and over. If you and decon agree that our eternal salvation is "Not...

Hi decon, great post, God never makes a mistake and always does good. After reading through the 15th chapter of 1 Samuel I am reminded of the "Strength of the Lord;" He is a comfort for the believer, "He cares for those who trust in Him." Nahum1:7, and leaves only fear in the heart of the...

Thank you Lady_blue, how bowts some doughnuts with the coffee......:)

Hi again Macabeus, I think you will meet many nice people on this thread, why?, because the gospel of Jesus Christ is not so difficult to understand. I believe the Holy Spirit can navigate through most of the bad theology that comes through this thread if only we would be honest enough to search...

Hi Star, I would call that spiritual abuse if you were counseled this way and it is obvious the Holy Spirit has healed you and brought you back on the right path, God bless!

Hi BillG, the post was way over the top for me and you....:geek:

Hi historyanswers, I appreciate your posting definitions of "gentile" and "Torah" and I agree that there is now, "No condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus", Romans 8:1 It appears that you agree with this thread, "Not By Works", that we have eternal salvation "by grace through faith in...

Yep I'm 'all in', to 'opt-out', "of all suffering"...:) Hebrews 5:8 Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered

My quote: "Yes God does discipline every son and if you do not experience God's discipline you may be an "illegitimate" sons." Hebrews 12:6-9 How's that, just for the record; "if you are "illegitimate", you are by definition, "not a son", of the King...:) Amen! and good call brother decon, thanks

Hi decon, yes God does discipline every son and if you do not experience God's discipline you may be an "illegitimate sons." Hebrews 12:6-9 When God disciplines a believer it can come in various forms as Decon has described as the traditional "Whip or Rod", and the purpose of discipline is...

1 Corinthians 7:1 Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God. Hi Macabeus, I like your choice of screen names. Concerning 2 Corinthians 7:1, I believe we are both...

Jude1:24 To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy...:) Go in peace Fran and know this, it is God who can save our soul who can keep us saved and; "present you before his glorious presence without fault and...

The proverb in my bible said "Woman" not wife, and you are illustrative of this very proverb right now, thanks :) Again: "Turn off the faucet Fran" Proverbs 27:15,16 15) A constant dripping on a day of steady rain "And a contentious 'woman' are alike;" 16) restraining her is like holding back...