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  1. sawdust

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    Try Romans 10:17 faith comes from where? We agree on the human viewpoint thing though. Have you considered maybe you are the one who is wrong?
  2. sawdust

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    Many people have seen the Risen Christ since the Ascension so I don't know what exactly you think is unique about Paul's experience.
  3. sawdust

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    I said nothing about good deeds or about deserving salvation. This is why you can't understand because you don't hear what is actually said only what you want to hear so you can deny, deny, deny. If that is all you can manage, I see no point in further discussion.
  4. sawdust

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    The problem is that statement is circular. Only believers are Elect so only the Elect are going to believe. Unfortunately you never get to the heart of why some believe and some do not and because you make God responsible for that, you also make Him a tyrant for condemning those He chose to...
  5. sawdust

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    If you have faith you are saved. Faith is the word working in your soul. Our believing is an act of our own volition that reveals who we are. Our believing does not manufacture faith, the word does that. God wants creation to see for itself why He judges as He does and that His judgements are...
  6. sawdust

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    God is omniscient. Out from His omniscience He saw who would desire a relationship with Him and who would not. He separated the believers from the unbelievers and with believers in mind only (foreknowledge) He designed a destiny for them. Predestination is based on foreknowledge. It is not based...
  7. sawdust

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    ???????? I said .... ... no idea how you come up with thinking I said it applies to unbelievers. I suggest you try reading without your blinkers and maybe it will make sense to you. The very fact it doesn't apply to unbelievers, ought to alert you to the fact that God is not choosing who...
  8. sawdust

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    Then I don't have a choice to believe do I as according to you it is God who decided I should believe so your earlier post was incorrect about me being able to believe what God says about Himself. Ergo, you must think I am not saved otherwise I would think as you think as God cannot lie and he...
  9. sawdust

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    You're reading the wrong Bible then cos mine says he chose to adopt believers as sons and to make holy, nothing about choosing who would believe and who would not. He puts the onus to believe squarely on our shoulders. To those who do believe? He saves and those whom He has saved, He...
  10. sawdust

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    It is spamming because all you have been doing is cut and pasting without any dialogue regarding the verses you are shown that say different to what you espouse. John 5:40 Jesus is talking to the religious leaders. It is they he is referring to when He says "you are unwilling", He is not...
  11. sawdust

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    Unfortunately that is always your interpretation. @reneweddaybyday is correct when they say no-one has claimed we are saved by our choice.
  12. sawdust

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    Who said I deserved to go to heaven? That's your twisted logic at work. I will go to heaven on the same basis as everyone else who goes to heaven, by grace through faith. I have said this repeatedly.
  13. sawdust

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    I'm not an Arminian and the verse says we were predestined to be holy and adopted as sons which, is what I said earlier. Not a single word about being destined to believe. God predestined believers. The doctrine only applies to believers ergo, it is not about God choosing who would believe and...
  14. sawdust

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    That's not what the other Calvinists/Reformed here have been saying. They say you can't believe unless you're saved.
  15. sawdust

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    Well, my Bible says, "believe on the Lord and you will be saved", so believing Him comes before being saved. Maybe you're dyslexic and don't know it.
  16. sawdust

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    How about you stop spamming and enter a real dialogue. Paul said he was willing to do good. He did not have a new heart as he ends by crying out for salvation. Try opening your mind to the truth of what is written instead of closing it off behind a wall of copy and paste.
  17. sawdust

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    It isn't that they won't submit, it is they can't submit because without the new birth they are controlled by the flesh and it is the flesh that is hostile to God. It would be impossible of Paul to speak of serving the Law with his mind and willing the good if what you say were true. Romans...
  18. sawdust

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    ROFL How can it be when it all depends on God's choice according to the Calvinist.
  19. sawdust

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    Scripture says "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved". Belief precedes salvation so no, one must believe to be saved as God has determined to save believers only. God did not choose us to believe. That is your error. Nowhere in scripture will you find He chose us to believe...
  20. sawdust

    Are only those who are born-again saved?

    Regeneration is to be saved. We were all condemned to spiritual death and Christ died so we could live. If you're not born again, you're not spiritually alive (still dead in your sin) and if you are not spiritually alive, you cannot relate to God who is Spirit.