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I'm not saying works have anything to do with it in salvation..I'm saying that since the Holy Spirit quickens and rebukes His children, then it is unlikely they will go off completely in the opposite way. But it is not impossible. I don't agree with the Calvinist in saying a believer will be...

I'm not saying they were never saved to begin with after having believed. I'm saying if there is NO fruit from salvation it is fair to question their salvation .

Well first thing-- at salvation.. we accept Jesus sacrifice on our behalf. It is nothing that we do to get salvation. He doesn't become Lord over every area of our life right then and there. It isn't a commitment to do good works. It's receiving His salvation because we CAN'T earn it. So...

And? Jesus will discipline and rebuke His children. Just like a mother and father discipline their children. The wayward believer could get kicked from their church, lose friends, experience rebuke from the Holy Spirit. God may even remove them from this planet..end their life to stop them...

The question is -- what are they falling away from? Eternal salvation or close relationship? Looking at scripture, eternal salvation isn't the subject for this verse.. it's what happens after salvation.. going on to maturity. That is what Hebrews 5 and 6 are about. Things that accompany...

There is also of course the entity of all redeemed as one body in the end.. as the New Jerusalem in heaven. So that is in Ephesians. But.. an ecclessia or ekklessia is an assembly. A congregation. Every believer does not congregate.. or assemble. Anyway.. enough on this. I will agree to...

One Body AT Ephesus..just as there was one body at Corinth etc..

Okay... so you do see the body of Christ has the local church. Well I can agree with you there. I just see the corporate entity as the Family of God ..not the body. Blessings

'Ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular ' in 1 Corinthians. The 'Ye' is the church AT Corinth

You see my issue here now

Okay..so if the body starts at Pentecost..how does it include them?

Yes this is true..so how can you call the body of Christ all redeemed and NOT include OT believers?

Okay.. well if I put the Ephesians verse to the side for now.. Every believer as an entity has been added to since Genesis! The types and shadows of Jesus in the OT were also the mode of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus. Jesus said regarding the OT.. 'They are they which testify of...

All it comes down to is what kind of body is being described in each instance. That is all. The Ephesians..'there is one body...' is about the Ephesians church. As an example of unity in a church to other churches as the letter was distributed around. It's not saying there is 'only one'...

1 Corinthians 12 body is all language of a connected, unified, harmonious body.. it's not describing all redeemed..but the body AT Corinth. That's who the letter is to. That church. As an example to other churches. One church body as an example to other local church bodies

Okay..in scripture.. the body of Christ..every time..is a local body.. local church. All redeemed are in the Kingdom and Family..the body of Christ is a different entity to these..not the same thing. The body of Christ isn't the Kingdom of God or the Family of God. So ..the body 1...

Yes I've spoken with a church member regarding this and the capitalized S is right being there. It still isn't about salvation though but water baptism before church membership.

Yeah I've figured this one. I got that wrong. I think S.E.Anderson (1950s...not the Baptist Steven Anderson now) in his book Real Churches or a Fog may have missed this point.

Since my mid 20s.. I haven't been kjvo so I'm still working things out here

Ah I stand corrected