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  1. Lamar

    Any words of encouragement?

    A fair question but the OP is directed at those who presume to be of the chosen elect.
  2. Lamar

    Any words of encouragement?

    Can any of the elect offer some sincere glimmer of hope to the non-chosen around them? Any passage or bit of advice to those who are not called? Must they simply accept their fate in the hereafter? I can think of a few but would like to hear from those who know they are of the elect.
  3. Lamar

    Loss of salvation???

    You are confusing surmising with actual quoting. I can see why you are perplexed...that's understandable...you can stay confused but it will not make it true. You are simply rejecting the sovereignty of God. You have put your personal sensibilities about how God is supposed to act above the...
  4. Lamar

    Loss of salvation???

    I suspect the "we" is more akin to the chosen or elect and not this community. Only those who both support "election" and consider themselves part of the elect would be offended by such words.
  5. Lamar

    Loss of salvation???

    Who is "we"?
  6. Lamar

    Loss of salvation???

    You did no such thing. Just be honest. You have not presented a quote of anyone claiming what you have stated. It is not I who said grace can be revoked but God. The parable of the unforgiving servant. Your name being blotted out of the Book of Life. The Galatians being removed from the grace...
  7. Lamar

    Loss of salvation???

    ??? I will ask the question again. Who can you quote that has said such a thing? Your psychoanalysis conjecture of other people motives have no bearing here. Neither does the legalist boogeyman in your head count. In other words, if you don't have a quote just don't respond.
  8. Lamar

    Loss of salvation???

    Who has said such a thing??? I would be amazed if you could quote people saying such a thing.
  9. Lamar

    Loss of salvation???

    Don't know, the parable does not address your issue, implying your point is a red herring or simply a nothing burger. Nor does it matter, God can give grace regardless of its acceptance. God is sovereign, after all. God gives life and He can take it away. God gives grace and He can take it...
  10. Lamar

    Loss of salvation???

    Agreed. He was also a servant given grace, agreed? ??? There is every indication that his debt was forgiven by the grace of his master, agreed? Religious conjecture. Regardless of who you think the unforgiving servant represents, his debt was forgiven and then the debt forgiveness was...
  11. Lamar

    Loss of salvation???

    Really? So why did the other servants report the unforgiving servants actions to the master if the unforgiving servant had refused the grace of his own debt? Was the master unaware that the unforgiving servant had rejected his grace? Why did the master feel the need to revoke the forgiveness...
  12. Lamar

    Loss of salvation???

    God's love is conditional in the context of the current OP. I have not heard it described as "unconditional love". Okay but the definition still stands. grace noun ˈgrās 1 a: unmerited divine assistance given to humans for their regeneration or sanctification b: a virtue coming from God c: a...
  13. Lamar

    Loss of salvation???

    So the unforgiving servant refused his release from debt by the master? Is this what you are saying? Yes or No? This is an example of the illogical heights that people will go to in order to defend such a flawed theology.
  14. Lamar

    Loss of salvation???

    What utter theological gobbledygook. If God's forgiveness can be taken away ( the unforgiving servant) then His grace is by default taken away. No forgiveness equals no grace.
  15. Lamar

    Loss of salvation???

    Who in the parable (as you have claimed) rejected the grace of God???
  16. Lamar

    Loss of salvation???

    I am struggling to fully understand what you are saying.
  17. Lamar

    Loss of salvation???

    This is my understanding of grace. God's grace is usually defined as undeserved favor. Grace cannot be earned; it is something that is freely given. We count on God's grace and the bridge he built in our relationship with him. Bible verses about grace abound. From the foundation of the Old...
  18. Lamar

    Loss of salvation???

    Nothing? The Parable of the Unforgiving Servant has everything to do with the grace of God. Who do you think gave grace to the servant? Who do you think took the grace away? The whole parable is about the grace of God!!! If you cannot see the grace of God in this parable your understanding...
  19. Lamar

    Loss of salvation???

    I accept the need to "believe God consciously" and the need to "not take His grace for granted" as conditions for grace but the words of Jesus in the Parable of the Unforgiving Servant show the ability for grace to be revoked in other ways. Grace has conditions. We may debate on what the...
  20. Lamar

    Loss of salvation???

    God's condition. The Parable of the Unforgiving Servant. But He took back the grace given to His servant. Therefore He says: “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. Shouldn’t you have had mercy on...