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God redeemed a mixed multitude of both Israelites and other ethnic groups out of Egypt. However, most did not get saved into the promised land. Salvation is a process. The exodus of that mixed multitude out of Egypt by God's sovereign power was one step in a many-stepped process aimed at the...

Romans 9 says that the wrestling Esau and Jacob in the womb had not yet done nothing either good or evil. Therefore, they were neither do-gooders nor sinners. They were innocent. However, they were both saints, i.e. set apart for God's use once born. Now God does not automatically degenerate an...

No. You are confusing atonement with full salvation. Experiencing perfectly one step of a multi-step process does not assure one that the entire process will be completed. I dare say that even you would not make that argument regarding any other process in life, that taking one step assures that...

You say, "He supposed (sic.) died for everyone but his atonement itself doesn't save anyone. In order for Christ's atonement to be qualitatively universal, it would need to be efficacious." Christ's atonement IS universally efficacious. Everyone's sins are atoned for by the death of Christ...

John 8:34 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin...." Rom. 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)...

"Effectual call" is not in the Bible. What is driving you to create terms that are not biblical and imposing them onto the Bible in order to manufacture evidence for theories that do not derive from sola scriptura?

It honours God to presuppose that His punishments for not obeying His commands imply that God knows we can obey them. Presupposing that God commands things He knows we cannot do and then punishes us for not doing them, impugns God's character as unjust.

No, it's unspoken because it not what those who see universal atonement think or say. It is purely a figment of your imagination. According to the way your imagination works on atonement, those who are not drivers in my analogy are not drivers because the gift of a vehicle and a key was...

Someone who offered a freewill offering obeyed the law regarding free will offerings from the heart. But there was no compulsion upon them to offer a freewill offering.

And people offered them freely and willingly without any compulsion from a decree/command to do so.

PaulThomson said: The law of non-contradiction states that contradictory propositions cannot both be true in the same sense at the same time, A paradox is a seeming contradiction that is not a true contradiction. To prove that X and Y are a paradox, a seeming contradiction, but not a true...

That's a pretty stupid assertion, Iconoclast. If they are not commanded by the law, and yet a person wants/wills to offer them to God, they are not being forced to want/will to offer them. That's why they are called free will offerings. It has everything to to do with man's will/desires. The...

The law of non-contradiction states that contradictory propositions cannot both be true in the same sense at the same time, A paradox is a seeming contradiction that is not a true contradiction. To prove that X and Y are a paradox, a seeming contradiction, but not a true contradiction, one...

I have heard some Unitarians say Trinitarians are idolaters worshipping a false triune god.

Why do you think ear here does not mean literal ears, but must mean spiritual ears? Why is Jesus not saying, "Everyone who has ears that are working, pay attention to what I am saying to you."

There are some chapters of Job that are expressing things that are true so we can understand more how God operates and thinks; and there are some chapters recording the opinions of blind guides, who you happen to agree with yourself: chapters written to point out the foolish fallacious thinking...

Paradox Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Paradox A paradox is a logically self-contradictory statement or a statement that runs contrary to one's expectation. Rufus said: Well...on the other hand, the bible is filled to the brim with paradoxes...so what's one more? ;):coffee:

Job 15:14 is spoken by a man who God says did not speak correctly. I see you agree with that man. Join the dots. Jesus did not say, "If you being completely evil know how to give good gifts..." All kinds of evil proceeding from somewhere does not mean all that proceeds from there is evil...

Yes, the Bible seems filled with paradoxes, if you are a Calvinist. And they keep "finding" more and more of them as they keep needing to explain away the logical contradictions inherent in their broken systematic. But you can't keep on fixing new patches onto an old garment and have the garment...

And therein is the great Calvinist paradox to man's will. As a moral agent, Calvinists say, we can voluntarily (freely) make choices. On the other hand, Calvinists claim, because our hearts (the seat of all our faculties) are full of evil and corruptness our choices are inherently biased toward...