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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Sin separates men from God; it does not separate God from men. Every man lives and moves and has his being in God. So, there is no real separation of God from man. It is a separation that man imposes on himself and experiences because of his betrayal of God, not because God has withdrawn from man.
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    This is my perspective, for what anyone thinks it's worth. 1. The atonement provides an effective object of our faith for whoever of us will transfer our faith to that object, namely Jesus Christ and the gospel. 2. The atonement provides an object to repent towards. When we are turning to...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Your interpretation of this makes no sense. The referent of the pronoun "It" is not "righteousness". Paul is not saying, "And therefore righteousness was imputed to him for righteousness. The referent is "Abraham believed God". 21...
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    What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

    You claim that the following verses say that Jesus was eternally begotten. 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.... 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as...
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    What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

    Sure, Christ the Son is sent by the Godhead down to earth in 1 AD- Genesis 19:24, Exodus 23:20, Matthew 15:24, John 17:18, etc and the Holy Spirit is sent by the Godhead down to earth in 30 AD - Psalm 104:30, John 14:26, 16:7, etc but the Father is not sent down to earth by the Godhead? You...
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    What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

    Yes. The Son is eternal (without beginning or end). And yes, the Son is begotten. And the Son is now called Jesus. But those three facts do not imply that Jesus is eternally begotten. I am living in the 21st century, and I was begotten. And I was nicknamed Piglet. That does not necessarily mean...
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    What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

    So this is the text you are claiming says that Jesus is eternally begotten. Now highlight where it says anywhere in there that Jesus is eternally begotten.
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    What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

    You haven't cited anything yet that shows what you are claiming the Bible teaches and mandates. A Bible reference is not a citation. You need to cite them, i.e. quote the verses and identify where they can be found in scripture, and then state what you are claiming those cited verses are saying...
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    What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

    Jesus is called "everlasting Father" in Is. 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. The Holy Spirit and the Almighty...
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    What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

    Isaiah 38:1 In those days Hezekiah became ill and was at the point of death. The prophet Isaiah son of Amoz went to him and said, “This is what the Lord says: Put your house in order, because you are going to die; you will not recover.” 2 Hezekiah turned his face to the wall and prayed to the...
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    What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

    The church councils do not have the authority from God to decide who does and who does not belong to Jesus. There is one judge of that, and it's not you or them. The church councils do no have the authority from God to extrapolate from scripture by logically fallible human reasoning in order to...
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    What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

    Please cite the scriptures you are basing this on?
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    What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

    Cameron143 said: Who visited Abraham? Do you believe the promise applied to him? PaulThomson said: Please, cite the scriptures you are referring to in your question. I see no citation of scripture there.
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    What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

    You are not listening to understand. I believe the Person who incarnated to become Jesus of Nazareth was the Son, the Word, who has no beginning. But he was not begotten as the human Jesus of Nazareth until His incarnation. I do happen to believe that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are...
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    What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

    If that is what you think begotten means, then do you also confess that the Father and Holy Spirit are eternally begotten by the Son, since you profess to believe that the Father and Holy Spirit are exactly the same essence as the Son and the Father and Holy Spirit are "in essence, God, equal...
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    What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

    Please, cite the scriptures you are referring to in your question.
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    What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

    The person who became named in the first century "Jesus of Nazareth" has always existed. I have already agreed with that. Heb. 1: 8 But unto the Son he says Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness, and...
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    What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

    "...Jesus cannot become Jesus only once, he always was Jesus and always will be Jesus." Where does scripture say Jesus was always human, even before the incarnation?
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    What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

    Begotten does not have a sense of inheritance. Begotten and inheritance are different words with different meanings.
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    What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

    You are obviously wrong there. I myself am a counter-example. I personally do not think Jesus is a created being. My perspective is that the Person who became Jesus has always existed as the same Person. I do not believe that the Son is just another mode of God. I do not confuse the Son with the...