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  1. Smoke

    Trump: You won’t have to vote again

    Agreed, I also hope Vance isn't the future of the Republican party. I hope Trump passes it to someone else after his 4 years is over.
  2. Smoke

    Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

    You seem to love using the word "seem" and ignore points you can't defend and choose to make personal assertions of the person who blows up your position.
  3. Smoke

    Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

    On a side note, I don't know how or why people aren't outraged he is still the current POTUS. The Democrats wanted him to not run again due to his drastic decline, especially over the last 4 years... He agrees and drops out for his re-election, but he is somehow fit RIGHT NOW? He should either...
  4. Smoke

    Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

    I think it's self-evident that not EVERYTHING Trump does or says is wrong. If someone who genuinely believes everything Trump does or says is wrong, that would lead me to suspect they might just happen to have TDS. If someone is being hyperbolic in stating "everything Trump does is wrong", then...
  5. Smoke

    Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

    I can't speak on your misconception of any particular agenda one has other than discussing the merits of Trump's definition of a "Black job". You're still on the "analogy"... I didn't compare the position of POTUS to Trump's definition of what a Black job is ("Anybody with a job.") I took his...
  6. Smoke

    Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

    I think TDS is a real phenomenon that exists on both sides (for and against Trump). It ultimately comes down to two extremes: 1.) Everything Trump does is wrong. 2.) Trump can do no wrong. It's getting used inappropriately and as a result, it's losing meaning and impact.
  7. Smoke

    Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

    I do see the big picture and completely agree. In 2016 and 2020, I never considered voting for the lesser evil. Because I'm worried with where we are at, I'm actually debating myself, everyday, on potentially voting for the lesser evil this time around. Kamala being installed as the nominee...
  8. Smoke

    Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

    It's not that it's an UNPLEASANT experience, it's that we are discussing Trump and what he said. You're wanting to make it about your feelings/what you think I feel about him. It's not "assigning motive" when I object to his definition of a "Black job". Perhaps you could argue I "assigned...
  9. Smoke

    Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

    Of course I have beef with some of the things Trump says. This has nothing to do with liking or disliking someone personally. I loved my grandfather very much. However, I remember my grandfather telling me when I was about 14, "Son, I don't care who you bring home as long as it's not another man...
  10. Smoke

    Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

    Read post #157. I did a response to it, and then expanded on my response.
  11. Smoke

    Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

    This post clearly shows you didn't read what I wrong. It's pointless to discuss my position with you as you'll take the opposite meaning of my message and then claim you already knew this about me and how unreasonable I am. When people have to resort to making the discussion personal instead...
  12. Smoke

    Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

    Actually, most people refuse to even define what a "Black job" is. The ones that tried, explicitly go against the very definition he gave on what it is. You might think their verbal gymnastics is "reasonable", but it doesn't make it so, nor does it mean anyone who rebuttals it has "TDS".
  13. Smoke

    Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

    What specifically have I said has been unreasonable? I can do it line by line if necessary. I don't feel I've been unreasonable.
  14. Smoke

    Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

    1.) Rubio Campaign Press Release - Fact Check: Donald Trump Used Illegal Immigrants to Build Trump Tower - Trump admits that there were undocumented workers but denied responsibility of actually hiring them. Meanwhile, the Judge ruled that the Trumper worker, Thomas Macari, was in fact aware the...
  15. Smoke

    Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

    You seem to think he is sinless. I try to provide objectivity... you seem to want an echo chamber. Label someone as having "TDS" because he dares objectively criticize Trump... even though he is considering voting for him. That makes about as much sense as Trump's definition of a "Black job".
  16. Smoke

    Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

    I didn't mean to offend you by discussing in good faith what Trump meant by a "Black job". I'd rather you poke at my points than at me personally though. When I debunked your misunderstanding of sanctuary cities, you just gave up and went personal. :cry:
  17. Smoke

    Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

    Sure there are. You're bringing up sanctuary cities and making the claim they are giving jobs to illegal immigrants when you quoted my posts about targeting people who hire illegal immigrants. It's like my asking you what time it is and you say "orange". Sanctuary cities are another facet of...
  18. Smoke

    Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

    You're conflating sanctuary cities with giving them jobs. Sanctuary cities are cities that choose to not voluntarily cooperate with federal immigration/law enforcement agencies for the purposes of enforcing federal immigration laws. According to US Constitution Article I §8, immigration duties...
  19. Smoke

    Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

    Sanctuary cities and providing for them is ANOTHER issue we have with illegal immigration. I thought we were talking about the illegal immigrants that Trump claims are "stealing Black jobs". Which city in Texas has declared to be a sanctuary city? Nevertheless, do you not believe there are...
  20. Smoke

    Donald Trump: Using Fear and the Race Card?

    I'll go a step further for the Republican TDS: Trump: I cured cancer. Smoke: No you didn't... Why are you making false claims that you cured cancer? Republican TDS: Well, I think he meant that he is for finding the cure for cancer. Smoke: That isn't what he said though. Republican TDS: Well...