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Ok. I can understand this. But at points the 'discussions' become abusive, tyrannical and totally ungodly from those who seek to usurp the Word of God. How do you deal with this ?

This argument will never be resolved without Gods intervention because it is rebellion. It has caused me distress and tears. I shan't be engaging in it any further. I am happy with my church and my male pastor. Amen.

Is anyone willing to answer me this? In all honesty, can you see an end to this 'disagreement' and a satisfactory and harmonious result from it ? I certainly cant. Why is that ?

Ok. I shall revise my statement. EVERY day we should be meditation upon the sacrifice of Jesus. And no women should not be pastors.

I must follow up by saying that I have also experienced gross ungodly treatment at the hands of women both inside and outside of the church. We must quietly bear the offences, and pray for our enemies, not argue with them.

Yes ok. We are in agreement. I myself am a woman. And I have of course experienced gross ungodly mistreatment at the hands of men from both outside and inside the church. I expect it from the world, but it should not ever happen within the church. But placing a woman in the pulpit is not going...

Ungodly subjection of women is not what is being questioned here. That is a different matter entirely.

There is no m vs f in the Bible. Just the natural order as ordained by God Himself. It is when we attempt to overturn this natural order that disharmony reigns. There can be no unity unless Gods order is observed, as is glaringly apparent in this thread.

The Lord God knows our hearts. To those whose hearts belong to Him He will reveal the true meaning of scripture. If anyone would truly understand then they must pray and seek earnestly the will of God as revealed in scripture. Arguing like this is not necessary and is forbidden by God Himself.

It is Easter. Christian's should be celebrating our risen Lord, and meditating upon His sacrifice for us. Not bickering. It must break His heart. He died on the cross for us and this is how we thank Him ??

Also I have already provided the Bible reference pertinent to this debate, which you will know about if you have bern properly following my posts. I am not going to repeat myself adim infinitum.

I only used the word pastor because it is the title of this thread. But as we all know we are referring to the teaching roles within the church.

I would have agreed with every word in this text and given it the thumbs up. However, you brought politics into it. Imo it is never right to bring political judgement into church. It is Gods kingdom, not the worlds.

Excellent response. Thankyou.

Also, I have used the precise words of the Bible by quoting directly from it. Unfortunately many people are arguing against them. This is not my carelessness. It is theirs.

I dont understand what you are saying. Sorry. What have I been careless about?

I am not a woman hater by any means. I myself am a woman. The God designed role of women in the church is equally as important as the role of a men - just different. There is no difference in the value of the work.

And please take your grievances elsewhere. I am telling you what the Bible says. If you wish to argue about it you will need to find someone who enjoys arguing. I dont.

A pastor refers to a shepherd, reverend etc. These people teach men. Women are not to teach men. Are you a man ? If so I shall shut up!